sony clie or palm

[dconpalm]

I looked into a palm 130 to purchase. I also saw the sony clie for $149. The clie has 16mb of memory. Any ideas?:confused:

[ebisix]

Do you know what model the Sony was? This will help us help you. Also, you should try posting this in the Sony forums too if you haven't already.

[dconpalm]

Clie SJ20

[cliemea]

it depends on what youll use it for, get the colorif your into games, get the clie if you wanna get sone stuff done

[rrfranczak3]

Stick wPalm, Sony is too proprietary, like Compaq, Sony uses only Memory sticks, which are now going to Memory stick Pro, Palm uses SD which alot of other manufacturers are using too, they all cant be wrong. Printer companys, Cameras (except Sonys) are all using SD cards, now they have Mini SD cards coming out, which come with a full size SD card adapter so you can use them too, SD cards have MP3 players,Digital Cameras, TV Tuners and FM radios available in SD format, read the news on Sonys release the other day on a TV tuner at the show in Europe., Sony basically said ...just kidding, no TV tuner yet, SD is your best better and the most advanced when it comes to upgradabilty for the future...unless you want to buy a new PDA every 3 months, also SD cards are now up to 1GB in storage.

[Smacdad]

I'm guessing the Clie for $150 was the sj20. I was wondering the same thing, but when you compare them side-to-side, in my view there's no contest. First of all, the memory expansion is a non-issue. true, the Sony Clie uses their proprietary memory stick technology, but the Zire has no expansion slots whatsoever, so that's one for the Sony. Next, The Zire comes with only 2MB of on-board memory (non-expandable), whereas the Sony comes with 16MB, probably more than you'll ever actually use. the Sony unit has a backlight, whereas the Zire does not. The Sony has a 320x320 High-Res screen, where the Zire has only a 160x160. The Sony comes with a 33mHz DragonballZ processor, where the Zire comes with only a 16 mHz DragonballZ. They both come with a rechargeable battery, so that's a wash. The Sony comes with more software, however. And, if you don't mind going the Refurb route, you can get the Sony SJ20 from overstock.com for $120. the Zire is a good attempt to bring down the price of a basic Palm PDA, but until they get it down well below $100, I just don't see the value.
One last thing. The Sony SJ10 is similar to the SJ20 in many respects, but it only comes with 8MB of RAM, no backlight, and no rechargeable batteries. However, you can usually get it for $120 (or $85 on overstock.com for refurb).
One more "one last thing". Both of these Sony models have been recently discontinued, but you should still be able to find them at stores.

I hope this clears things up for you. As I said, I have been researching this very thing for a while now, and I decided on the Sony SJ20. I'm very satisfied with my decision.

[rrfranczak3]

I dont know where this guy smacdad came up with the zire in his reply ( I guess he didnt read the thread as well as he did his research). the original thread said Palm m130 NOT zire, and when you discuss the 2 models the PALM m130 or the Sony unit the PALM is clearly the best, I wouldnt recommend the Zire to anyone, hell, you can get a free one just for buying 4 michelin tires, check your ads, how good can it be, but the m130 is color,has 8mb, a 33mhz Dragonball VZ processor, it has a backlight and DOES have the SD slot, and is clearly a better choice over the Sony.
Sonys MS memory stick (registered with 4 companies in contrast to PALM SD registered with 553 companies,therefore peripheral and SDIO are plentiful and relatively cheaper, remember?? betamax and VHS???) Sony didnt win that one either.

FYI - Sony had developed the Betamax
JVC developed the VHS

Last year who sold more????????

Buy the Palm m130 or Save your Money & buy a Palm m515 or Tunsten they are still better than any Sony

[Smacdad]

Hehe... I'm wiping egg off my face as we speak. For some reason I thought he was talking about the Zire because this is the Zire forum. Yeah, it's much less clear-cut between the m130 and the Clie SJ20, isn't it? Oh, well...

[IanS]

I love arguments like this where one party says things like this...

"when you discuss the 2 models the PALM m130 or the Sony unit the PALM is clearly the best"

Well, I look at the screens, and as the Sony has four times the number of pixels, I think it's visibly clear which one is the best.

As for comments about the Palm M515 being better than any Sony... how silly.

And as for the proprietry format of memory... look at the trends. Compact flash was once THE storage medium. Not any more. MMC was big, now being replaced by SD. In a few months, something else will appear.

Look at the facts from a less biased point of view.

[rrfranczak3]

This is true and Memory Stick/Pro will NEVER be THE format

[IanS]

To be honest, who really cares which format is the top dog at any one time. Horses for courses. If you want hi res screens, colur and a different slot, buy a Palm Tungsten T. Personally, I don't see the original 128mb limit of a memory stick being prohibitive anyway. Considering the size of palm programs and database files. Plus Memory Sticks are small enough to stick a dozen of them in a wallet without noticing... and they're hardly expensive.

At the end of the day, they all do the same job.

[rrfranczak3]

Ian, try buying a wi-fi M/S or a M/S Tv Tuner, M/S FM Radio, try using 2 Sticks at once, not to mention the fact that SD will soon be 1gig, MS I hear will be too but in the M/S Pro format, which most cant use anyway, SD is certainly becoming the Tech Favorite across a manufacturing platforms except Sony

[IanS]

like most people, if I wanted a portable pocket TV, I'd buy a dedicated device, they do the job better and cheaper. And as for FM radios, go to the Gadget shop (or a thousand other places) and you can pick up a radio the size of your thumb for just a few pounds. Then you can listen to radio, watch TV, play games or edit your spreadsheet all at the same time.

I guess you're just one of these people who aims to impress others with their ability to buy gadgets. I am not. A Palm device is not the panacea to all life's little problems. They're not even practical for some of the tasks you mention. People who are serious about Wi Fi technology probably wouldn't be buying an M130 in the first place. We're not talking about ultra hi tec stuff here... and why, I ask myself, would I want a 1Gb card in my Sony? I've still got half of my 64mb card free and that has 200+ web pages in Isilo format, 6 applications and half a dozen pictures, plus I still have 5mb free out of 8mb on the Clie itself!

And I still have a hi res screen wheras the M130 does not. Makes reading and editing documents MUCH better than a standard Palm screen.

PS... I have a Palm too :-)

[rrfranczak3]

Why do you keep saying Palm m130, I dont even own 1, and why should I have to carry 10 different things when 1 will do it all?. I guess you are one of them people who would rather have a big desktop, rather than just carry a 4 pound notebook too, and as far as hires goes, The tungsten T is great

[IanS]

Why do I mention the M130? Well try reading the question at the top of the thread!

"sony clie or palm
I looked into a palm 130 to purchase. I also saw the sony clie for $149. The clie has 16mb of memory. Any ideas?"

Whether you own one or not is neither here nor there as far as I can see. You were the one that replied to his question first... not me :D

Ten things? My maths isn't that good, but Palm, TV, Radio and Wi Fi doesn't amount to ten in my book. Four seems closer.

I do have a big desktop, I have no need for a laptop of any description, and if I did, I would just buy one. I do have a Palm and a Clie. And I don't push them to their full potential. They do what I want, when I want, and that's what counts.

As for multiple devices, I agree, having one 'do everything' device sounds good. But... the saying "Jack of all trades... master of none" springs to mind. Besides, realistically the power drain of TV, wi Fi and even radio is going to mean that even on a full charge, you'll get precious little time before the battery flattens. And if you have to be near a power socket all the time, just to keep the Palm running... what's the point of having a battery powered device? Personally, I don't need, or want, to watch TV outside. In fact I rarely watch TV at all. But if I did, then collectively I could get more time out of seperate devices than one. I can see the logic in that, even if nobody else can.

The Tungsten T is a great piece of kit, but would be a waste of money for me personally. Probably for the same reason that the dconpalm was asking about the M130 in the first place.

Anyway, have fun with whatever you've got. As long as you're happy, it doesn't matter what anybody else says does it?

:)

[dconpalm]

Man, Do you PDA people like to argue. I took the plunge and bought a Palm 515. I have no buyers remorse. I feel I made a good decision. Thanks for all your help.

DC

[IanS]

Argue... I don't argue. And don't argue about it!!!! :D :rolleyes: :D

Glad you're all sorted. Have lots of fun.

Ian :)

[rrfranczak3]

Good Decision...Good Luck with it

[blck1jack]

Clie Sj20