P7 to netbook

[motman]

I have just upgraded my Psion 7 with the Netbook ROM and foud that I have only 16meg of memory instead of the stated 32meg and my memory (16meg) from the Psion 7 will not work has anybody else had this problem or is it just happened to me. Any help or advice will be very helpfull as I am new to the Psion 7.
Have had all the rest like Org II, P3, P3c, P5, P5mx, and now the P7 which I find is far better than the others it is just anoying that I have gone back to the 16meg.
Also can somebody HELP me to get on the Internet with the machine I have tried everything I can think of without any success.

[netBookBabe]

Ray, there is nothing wrong here, the fact is that the netBook OS resides in RAM and thus occupies quite a large chunk of the total 32meg.

You cannot alas, make use of the 16meg DIMM, although you would be able to add a 32meg one.

I'm keeping this brief because the whole thing is discussed in detail in the following thread by others who have done the upgrade, so if you read it carefully it should all become clear.

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1352

There should be no problem with getting your 7book connected to the Net. Please post as much detail as you can of the problem and we will try to help.

Julie

[motman]

I am not sure but it is only since the upgrade I can't get on or understand OPERA whatever it is all it says

""" The address is not available from this machine """"

[netBookBabe]

Ray, I'm going to start a new thread about this in the netBook forum, in a short while.

I have some issues too regarding Opera since installing the latest netBook OS.

Julie

[spegru]

We had a discussion about this the other day (see http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1637 )

It turns out that the Standard netBook only has a 16M C drive. It resides on the motherboard - which is identical to the S7 motherboard
The other 16M of ram is on the Personality module - which you now also have. However this 16M of RAM is the the Z drive, where the OS goes after bootup. Even if there is some space left (and there wouldn't be much) it seems to inaccessable - being reserved as ROM after bootup.
The netbook cannot access the S7 extra DIMM for some reason (probably in the OS itself), only the 32m nB one. However since, unlike a PC, extra memory does not increase speed, plus the afct that the nB runs faster due to faster processor and because the OS is in RAM, the value of getting a nB dimm is dubious.
You might as well get one of those nice big/ cheap CF cards and keep all your files there - together with the Application SIS files for reinstalling if necessary and even the OS (os.img) itself I suppose. I've been doing this for years, and as a reult of an 80m CF, Neuon nConvert, and a CF drive for my PC, I never need to use Psiwin.

spegru

[netBookBabe]

Thanks, spegru, for explaining that so clearly. :)

Ray, I have now started a new thread about the Opera connection problem, in the netBook forum.

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1980

If you want some help, then please go there and post some specific detail about your problem.

Julie

[motman]

:p You are all so Billiant I have never had this experience before with so much help you are all superb people. I don't know what to say. But Thank You All for being so Helpfull.

:rolleyes: It brings a lump to the throat.

I thank you for the Advise spegru but I have a IBM 340meg Microdrive which did not like the P7 it would not read it most of the time.
But since I fitted the nb Upgrade I have not had a problem since.

Many Thanks to you All

[nclark]

There are two reasons that the extra memory provided by the DIMM is necessary IMO. The first is the huge amount of memory Opera seems to need for its temporary files (or semi-permanent files in 3.62, as they never seemed to remove themselves after closing Opera. Hopefully fixed in 5.14). Secondly is the slowness of synchronisation with Outlook for PIM and PCMail when stored on a CF. I found this so slow with the 7 as to be virtually unusable. With a large number of emails (2-300) plus attachments this can soon devour your C drive.

[motman]

I am all confused as to what is happening does the original netcook have 32mb free on the C drive or is it the same as the P7 to nb upgrade.

If there is 32mb free on C drive of the Original Netbook then where does the OS reside as I am led to believe that the OS comes on CF same as the Upgrade.

If it is free 32mb then were does the OS go from the CF 14mb I think.

[netBookBabe]

Originally posted by motman
I am all confused as to what is happening does the original netcook have 32mb free on the C drive or is it the same as the P7 to nb upgrade.
It's the same - netBook has total 32meg RAM. The OS resides in part of that, occupying over 17meg (it becomes known as drive Z) leaving just over 14meg free RAM for drive C.

Julie

[motman]

I thank you for your answer on the matter Julie as I was thinking of buying a Netbook and selling my P7 but I don't think I will benefit or do you know of any benefits by changing to the Original nb from my P7 nb.

I will appreciate any advice whatsoever on this as I could finish up paying lots of money.

I know that the E slot will recognise a Microdrive (1gb) and the P7 nb will not.

But it won't be worth it just for that reason.

[diem]

its early days yet motman, but it would seem that the 7book (Series 7 with upgrade) does not support as wide a range of ethernet cards as the netBook, due to a lower current limit to the PC Card slot.

If yours is a very old Series 7, this is likely to be a problem. If your Series 7 came with OS build 756, the signs are that this limitation may not exist.

If you do not intend to use ethernet at all, then this won't matter to you.

[motman]

My P7 module has 2031 0051 01 Version 756 06/09/00 on it.

Thanks Yan for you advise your have just saved me a lot of cash on the matter I will stick to the P7 nb.

I will take your Advise.

[netBookBabe]

I was thinking more or less the same as diem, motman. Basically you do now have a netBook, apart from this power issue with the PC Card slot.

In your position, I would bide my time with the 7book and await developments. Unless you're planning on using ethernet right away, then you're not at the moment missing out on anything!

Julie

[Global]

I am still confused about RAM and ROM so please permit me to ask a practical question. Last year I installed the 16 mb DIMM on my S7 when I discovered that it couldn't really handle Opera properly without it. Far too often, especially when there were web pages with complicated graphics, the S7 would freeze or reset. All these problems diappeared completely with the DIMM; thereafter Opera (first version 3 and more recently 5.14) has hummed along nicely.

If I upgrade my S7 to a 7book can I still count on Opera working well or will I be back to where I started without the DIMM? In other words, if I want Opera to work well on a 7book would I also need a 32 DIMM?

Thanks for the help. Maybe I am sort of "dim".

Global

[motman]

Hi Global,
Not sure on the answer to this one as I never used Opera on my P7 but I have tried to use it since with the P7 nb and I am unable to get any joy and I can't even get on the web for some reason I am persevering with the problem.

Maybe it is something to do with me but it is very frustrating as I have to wait for email etc. until I get home from work.

Hope this helps in some sort of way.

[wanman]

Hi Global,

This was one of my reasons for holding off upgrading until I got the DIMM upgrade aswell.

Unfortunately I could not wait and am currently running the 7book without DIMM upgrade. Opera works as it did before but faster:-). If you do not install too many applications on your c: drive, keep you mail/contacts stores on your D: Drive and clear out your cache once in a while, your 7book without DIMM upgrade will work fine.

I currently have 11.9mb left on my C:drive and Opera works as it did on my 7 (apart from the speed of course !!)

If you have any other DUMM.....I mean DIMM questions:D

Just post em here.

Kind Regards

Si

[wanman]

Hi Ray,

If your problems getting online persist, create a new thread here as we may be able to give you some help. What we will need to know is which PC Card you are using and how you upgraded your machine (did you just perform a full system restore after your OS went in?). You will also need to confirm if you get any error messages and what they are.

Regards

Si

[netBookBabe]

Si and Ray

I already created a new thread to address the Net connection problem over in the netBook forum:

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1980

It was under the assumption that Ray's problem related just to Opera, since the OS update, though it's now sounding more general in nature. Nevertheless, can we continue this discussion on that other thread please?

Ray, if you take Si's advice and post as much info as you can there, we will try to help.

Julie

[geordiekeith]

If anyone is interested in recouping some of their loss in their investment in the 16MB DIMM for the 7 which does not work now they have upgraded to a Netbook I am interested.

Cheers,

Keith

PS. Thansk to all for this great source of series 7/Netbook information.