Internet on The CLie 615

[stefe]

Hi!

I have a CLie 615, excellent PDA for my tastes! I do have a few hitches, like not being able to connect to the Internet.

I have read that I could use an IR modem (which do u recommend?), but i would prefer either:
1) using my ADSL connection on the PC to access the Net
2) connect an external modem - I read that it is possible to do that with serial cradles using a simple external serial modem.

Could you kindly help?

Stefe

[PDASROCK]

I don't know much about clie modems, but if you're willing to wait, os 5.0 is coming out and it is supposed to have supurb internet capabilities.:D

[elbowz]

There are a number of ways you can connect to the internet, less so if you want to use your ADSL connection.

Psion do an IR travel modem which is cheap but only works with dialup connections.

You could marry a serial hotsync cable to a cheap 56k modem for the same effect, without having the benefits of wireless or the worries of having to keep your IR ports in line.

Alternatively you could get a Bluetooth wireless gateway (http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=BLUE2NET) and Bluetooth memory stick (a very expensive combo IMHO) which would give you wireless access to your LAN and ADSL connection.

A cheaper alternative for LAN connectivity would be a serial hotsync cable and ethernet convertor (http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PS6U1SE) - the convertor is not as big as it appears in the pic, only just wider than a D9 serial plug.

Software-wise I'd recommend Eudora as an Email tool (its free) and Pocketlink as a web browser with hires support.

Hope this helps.

Ian

[stefe]

Thanks for your help!

Regarding the Bluettoh connection, do i need the Siemens gateway? Why? And is it possible to use a USB Bluetooth adapter to the PCb and connect a bluetooth USB adapter to the Sony?

thanks fot the web sites, they are quite interesting!

Stefe

[elbowz]

Originally posted by stefe
Regarding the Bluettoh connection, do i need the Siemens gateway? Why? And is it possible to use a USB Bluetooth adapter to the PCb and connect a bluetooth USB adapter to the Sony?


If you have a ADSL router and want to connect your Clie directly to your LAN and ADSL then yes you will need a Bluetooth Access Point (doesn't need to be the Siemens one though). Basically it provides a bridge between wireless and wired networks and means that your Clie connects independently of any PCs in the building.

If you have a ADSL modem connected to a PC you can use your PC as a proxy server to provide a Bluetooth connection to the Clie (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10853 gives a good walk through) but it won't work unless your PC has a direct ADSL connection (via modem rather than router). Also means you have to leave the PC on all the time you want to access the web...

[stefe]

if I have an ADSL router, can I connect the USB cradle directly to it, i.e. not using wireless?

[elbowz]

Originally posted by stefe
if I have an ADSL router, can I connect the USB cradle directly to it, i.e. not using wireless?

No I don't know of any device which will interface the USB cradle to the router.

If you can get hold of a serial cradle/cable you could use the ethernet convertor detailed in my first post to plug into the ethernet port on your router (or hub).

It sounds like you need to consider how much you need/want to get internet access on your CLIE. Surfing the net on a small screen is a pretty painful experience, a majority of sites won't work and most of those that do work poorly. There are a good number of sites designed for PDA access but not enough to make the whole process you are considering worthwhile. If you are looking at a tethered connection that close to your router I'd say give it up and use your PC until a better solution comes along.

If you absolutely have to connect through your CLIE then I would recommend going the wireless route and at least you'll get some added functionality out of the cash you spend.

Other alternatives you might consider are a Palm with the universal connector (m series machines) for which there is an ethernet cradle, or a Wifi sled (but surfing the web on a 160x160 screen would be akin to torture); getting a Pocket PC with a CF slot (for which cheap wireless and wired network cards are plentiful, but you'll spend a lot of time looking at the spinning disk busy cursor as punishment) or waiting for the WLAN memory stick which was apparently announced along with the new OS 5 Clies yesterday...

[PDASROCK]

Yes, I agree with elbowz. I have really given up any pda online surfing until at least os 5, maybe 6. The whole process is slow, painful by resolution, expensive for the parts, and really quite difficult to set up. Os 5 is coming out NOW, you can pre-order the clie nx70v, palm tungsten specs are well known(although I'm not sure when they're releasing it) and os 5 pdas will be 10x (well, maybe not quite...) as good at internet. All the palm os versions before 5 have just had the internet as an "addon" thing, but os 5 will be designed to handle it.

[Draven]

What you can also try is to buy a cable from supplynet to hook up your Clie to your data enabled phone. I have a CT66c and a Motorola V70, I special ordered a cable from supplynet (still waiting for it to arrive). Most wireless phones carriers now have their GPRS networks in place so surfing the web on your phone or on your PDA is a lot faster than before. Also if you use the Blazer browser it supports a lot of the websites out there allowing you to view them as you would on your desktop.

[elbowz]

Originally posted by Draven
What you can also try is to buy a cable from supplynet to hook up your Clie to your data enabled phone. I have a CT66c and a Motorola V70, I special ordered a cable from supplynet (still waiting for it to arrive). Most wireless phones carriers now have their GPRS networks in place so surfing the web on your phone or on your PDA is a lot faster than before. Also if you use the Blazer browser it supports a lot of the websites out there allowing you to view them as you would on your desktop.

I use IR between my T39 and CLIE (probably switch to Bluetooth when the MS becomes available in the UK) which works fine apart from two provisos: firstly its very expensive (over here anyway) - £3/Mb so its only really worth it in emergency situations or for sending/grabbing the odd email and, secondly, its very slow (28.8k over here).

Its ideal for WAP connections though and depending on the type of info you need to access that may suffice. WAP has picked up a pretty poor rep, but if your expectations are realistic it works quite well.

[Draven]

GPRS can connect to the web around 26-30 Kbs. That's not too bad for accessing email and surfing. But yes, connecting to the web through your phone can get expensive depending on the rates of your wireless carrier. Luckily I have free nights and weekends on my cell phone so I can access the web during those times for hours on end for free.

With Blazer 2.0 you can access HTML pages as well as WAP.
You can check out Blazer 2.0 at the Handspring site:

http://www.handspring.com/software/blazer_overview.jhtml

"Blazer® 2.0 provides access to the widest range of web sites-from your favorite Internet sites, to sites optimized for handheld computers and mobile phones. That's because Blazer supports multiple Internet standards, including HTML, cHTML and WAP. Plus, with enhanced bookmarking features and the ability to change the default home page, you'll have even better access to the sites and information you need."

[stefe]

Thanks for all your help guys! I now realise i was barking up the wrong tree, and that USB + PALM = NO INTERNET, at least for now.

However, you have all taught me different ways to hook up my Clie with the PC. What about a network using an IR port connected to the PC? Is it possible to do a network, a bit like the Bluetooth?

For those still wondering why I should do this, I am still not sure about spending loads of money on Bluetooth MS, when I might get another Clie with Palm 0S 5 in a few months, although the idea Bluetooth is admittedly alluring...

Thanks

Stefe

[Markd60]

I purchased the Psion IR modem and I can surf the net just fine on my PEG T615 C. I have a program called Palmscape for the net and another called multimail for email.

[nlowhor]

I connect my palm to my motorola startac phone to get online. Just get a cable from www.thesupplynet.com

[elbowz]

I'd agree with markd60 - if you want a cheap and cheerful way of doing it then the Psion IR modem is the best choice.

Using IR to your desktop means you have to be within line of sight of the IR port - and if you're that close you may as well use the PC...

In the UK the Psion IR modem is around £60 (about $100?) or about half the price of a BT memory stick...

[mattiejm1]

I have recently purchased a cable to connect my clie to my cell phone. I have downloaded eudora mail. I can receive my e-mail but I can not send e-mail. Has anyone had this problem? Does anyone know the solution? Thanks

[nlowhor]

mattiejm1, you have to send your mail through the ISP that you are connected to. Do they have an outgoing mail server?

[mattiejm1]

Thanks nlowhor: I am using a Sprint wireless phone, and connected to the internet / e-mail through a Sprint server. Does that mean I need to send e-mail through the Sprint server. If so how do I find the server address?
Thaks

[elbowz]

To set up your email account you will need at least the following info:

user name and password
outgoing (smtp) email server address
incoming email server type (pop3 or imap)
incoming server address

In addition you will need to have a working dial-up connection to your ISP for which you'll need:

user name and password
telephone number
and possibly DNS (or Name Server) addresses.

You can get all of this information from your desktop PC just check the settings in your email program and the connection settings from Dial up networking.

If you can receive but not send email then either your smtp server settings are incorrect or you aren't connected to your ISP, in which case you will get a message about a server error and no support for relaying. Some email programs/ISPs allow authentication on the SMTP server to get around this. Most do not.

To get around it you can use the POP server from your ISP for the incoming mail and the SMTP server from whoever you're connected to for the outgoing mail.

First place to start looking for server info will be at http://www.sprint.com

[mattiejm1]

Thanks Elbowz:

I have found the correct smtp server with sprint. It is smtp.sprintpcs.com. Everything seems to be working fone now.