golmert
10-02-2003, 03:40 PM
According to recent news the new WINDOWS based Netbook is out in the market.
Congratulations Psion we are on the map again!!!!
Congratulations Psion we are on the map again!!!!
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Click to See Complete Forum and Search --> : New Netbook is here!! HUZA!!! golmert 10-02-2003, 03:40 PM According to recent news the new WINDOWS based Netbook is out in the market. Congratulations Psion we are on the map again!!!! cshandley 10-03-2003, 03:54 AM Come on Golbert, you're not even a very good troll anymore. If you hadn't noticed, people here are interested in EPOC / Symbian, not WinCE or other M$ stuff. I'm sure theres lots of Windows PDA groups that'd love to have you. (sic) golmert 10-03-2003, 04:20 AM But it seems like we all need do adapt ourselves to reality, dont we? Epoc is dead, lets face it. The fact that Teklogiks changed the OS is just a "tiny" proof that this looks like a better direction and we all need to send a huge thanks and wish Teklogiks profitable business now. This will hopefully bring us the psioneers to be back at the top of the handhelds devices, like we used to be some 5 years ago. Regarding the other forums- I agree with you-it does seem like the main focus from now on will be the WINDOWS OS Netbook, and it might be just usefull to move this forum to the PocketPC WINDOWS part of PDASTREET forums, where I am sure we will get appropriate assistance. Just imagine to you now- all our dreams come true now....when did you ever think in your best dreams that the Netbook will be capable of- bluetooth, appropriate browser that "all of the sudden" will be capable of encryptions, a JAVA support (great isnt it?) and more and more and more..... Once again- thank you Psion for making that great move! swing 10-03-2003, 04:42 AM EPOC is neither dead, nor dying, from both a Psion PDA and a Symbian point of view. However, I do think a netBook Pro forum within this section makes sense, as this is the Psion section :) Steve fladda 10-03-2003, 07:02 AM Harvey has already commented that maybe Psion Teklogix (PT) would have been better off not using the Netbook name for the new device. This just creates confusion in the marketplace. Rember that PT are no longer in the comsumer market. Nobody is expecting the Netbook Pro to be sell in large numbers. Indeed Psion are entering a very competitive AND DECLINING market. Sales of Wince devices are currently declining. Many other manufacturers making similar Wince computers have stopped production. I have recently had some experience with PPC and HPC as I also have a Siemens Simpad SL4 and a Pocket Loox 600. In my view Microsoft have really screwed-up their market - there are loads of problems with the whole Wince platform. Hence we read of people coming back to ER5 from the dark side. If I were allowed to take just one gadget to my desert island with ADSL and WiFi, I think that I'd currently choose my Netbook running ER5. Whilst there are lots of problems with Opera5, on balance the Netbook scores on all the built-in other applications and some excellent third party stuff. Interesting that most of the value of the PT company is due to its holding of Symbian shares, and certainly not for their meagre sales of computers to so called vertical markets. Remember also that Psion effectively no longer exist in their old form. Psoin have imploded in the UK and have effectively moved their name over to join Teklogix in Canada?? Ralph netBookBabe 10-03-2003, 07:05 AM Originally posted by golmert This will hopefully bring us the psioneers to be back at the top of the handhelds devices, like we used to be some 5 years ago. What planet are you on Golmert? This is nothing like the handheld devices of five years ago, it's a completely different animal, aimed at a completely different market. Many of us know that, for us, it will not be the right tool for the job, and do not aspire to own a netBook PRO. The scenario you draw is consequently a somewhat unlikely one. Since I take it you will be first in the queue, I suggest you reserve further comment until after you have purchased your "PRO" and are ready to give us a first-hand review. Julie netBookBabe 10-03-2003, 07:11 AM Golmert, since you are such a supporter of Psion Teklogix, perhaps you might do them the courtesy of spelling their company name correctly? :rolleyes: Julie swing 10-03-2003, 07:12 AM Originally posted by netBookBabe Many of us know that, for us, it will not be the right tool for the job, and do not aspire to own a netBook PRO...Since I take it you will be first in the queue Having seen the hardware spec, I'm even more convinced that if it ran ER5 or 6, I would be first in the queue. harveyr 10-03-2003, 07:30 AM Originally posted by fladda Rember that PT are no longer in the comsumer market. Interesting that most of the value of the PT company is due to its holding of Symbian shares, and certainly not for their meagre sales of computers to so called vertical markets. Remember also that Psion effectively no longer exist in their old form. Psoin have imploded in the UK and have effectively moved their name over to join Teklogix in Canada?? Ralph [/B] An interesting view Ralph...however I should point out the following: 1) Psion Teklogix were never in the consumer market. Psion Teklogix was formed as a result of the merger in 2000 between Psion Enterprise (a division of Psion PLC) and Teklogix. The consumer division of Psion PLC was called Psion Computers and operated as a separate company to Psion Enterprise. 2) There are currently 3 operating divisions of Psion PLC - Psion Teklogix, Psion Software and a shareholding in Symbian. All of these divisions operate independently. To say that Psion no longer exist is incorrect. The head office of Psion PLC remains in London. The head office of Psion Teklogix is in Toronto, Canada. 3) Psion Teklogix is the largest operating division within the Psion PLC group of companies and to state we have meagre sales of computers to so called vertical markets.' is totally incorrect and shows a lack of understanding of our business. netBookBabe 10-03-2003, 07:40 AM Originally posted by swing ... I'm even more convinced that if it ran ER5 or 6, I would be first in the queue. No chance, Steve - I'd be ahead of you! :D ;) Julie fladda 10-03-2003, 08:44 AM Originally posted by harveyr 1) Psion Teklogix were never in the consumer market. Psion Teklogix was formed as a result of the merger in 2000 between Psion Enterprise (a division of Psion PLC) and Teklogix. The consumer division of Psion PLC was called Psion Computers and operated as a separate company to Psion Enterprise. 2) There are currently 3 operating divisions of Psion PLC - Psion Teklogix, Psion Software and a shareholding in Symbian. All of these divisions operate independently. To say that Psion no longer exist is incorrect. The head office of Psion PLC remains in London. The head office of Psion Teklogix is in Toronto, Canada. 3) Psion Teklogix is the largest operating division within the Psion PLC group of companies and to state we have meagre sales of computers to so called vertical markets.' is totally incorrect and shows a lack of understanding of our business. Thanks for taking the time to correct my misundertandings Harvey. We really appreciate your contributions on this group. Ralph markdeppe 10-03-2003, 11:51 AM Now as the queue for a netbookpro er5 /6 /7 machine is already so long and agressive (with power users with car cigarette adapters to take 4 devices and I thought boys were bad), and as I will be waiting for a secondhand one probably, I would settle for one of those new screen which apparently can be seen outdoors in sunlight on my old "trusty" netbook should the screen cable go on the old screen and I can claim the fix on insurance :-) Come on POS tell us it can be done. PS Swing: Your wish has come true already. Thanks Moderators. MartinMaxwell 10-03-2003, 03:20 PM Originally posted by golmert [B]But it seems like we all need do adapt ourselves to reality, dont we? Epoc is dead, lets face it. I believe you are the only one here who has proven to be immune to reality. So go ahead and adapt yourself. Start by reading the latest DoCoMo-Symbian press release. golmert 10-03-2003, 05:18 PM Foma is the 3G technology of NTT Docomo. Symbian for the mobile is great OS! thats a good move! But,...what has that got to do with Epoc??? ER5 is dead=old netbook is dead=WINDOWS Netbook is here. We all need to adjust to the fact that the term Epooc Netbook is a history. Windows based Netbook is probably the best we could dream of once we realized that everybody is pulling away from the old Epoc . I call that adapting to reality. So lets all join together and keep supporting our teachers- Psion and not pull against them only because they had to keep their business running in the mainstream Jim Cooke 10-03-2003, 08:13 PM golmert, Why do you keep calling the Netbook Pro a "Windows" machine?It runs WindowsCE.Net, a new and as yet unproven operating system. The Netbook Pro doesn't operate using Windows anymore than a PocketPC operates Windows. God bless Psion and I wish them nothing but good luck. I wish the new Netbook Pro ran a proven operating system like ER6 but time will tell if Psion has made the right decision. As Julie wrote, write us a review when you get one so we'll be able to compare both the good and bad points of this new platform. MartinMaxwell 10-03-2003, 11:02 PM Originally posted by golmert [B]Symbian for the mobile is great OS! thats a good move! But,...what has that got to do with Epoc??? So you still have not realised that Symbian OS is another name for EPOC? Do you ever listen to anything people tell you? golmert 10-04-2003, 11:08 AM If that is the case why did the Netbook convert to MICROSOFT OS? Just for your knowledge Martin: During 1998, Ericsson, Motorola, and Nokia decided to develop a brand new operating system for future generations of mobile phones- Epoc. EPOC then evolved into Symbian OS and Psion Software became Symbian. How ever, today Symbian is referred only to the Mobile world. The current blessed Symbian OS that runs today on the mobiles is for your information Martin, far far away more advanced then what you have with your historical machine- the old Netbook. The Netbook is running ER5 while Symbian today refers to ER6/7. We all wished the Netbook would be Symbian based, because then we might have done many many more things ( just like we will now with MICROSOFT!!:-)). How ever, it seems that Teklogix realized that the Hendhelds market should probably stick to the "small" MICROSOFT world. I am sure that very soon you and your friends will convert themeselves to the MICROSOFT based Netbook and thank Teklogix for bringing you there. You see, we all need to go with what is the best . I adore the Symbian OS when it comes to mobile ( BTW, there is a new great phone coming out soon - the Siemens SX1) on one hand , but when it comes to Handhelds, unfortunately the old Netbook is dead. So, you cant blame me as a MICROSOFT evangelist. I suggets that you and the rest will also adapt to reality and support Teklogixs with their move. All the best. Golmert cangiante 10-04-2003, 03:12 PM ________________________________________________ originally posted by Golmert: "...you and the rest will also adapt to reality and support Teklogix with their move" ________________________________________________ Ciao Golmert, First of all, thank you for dedicating us your time and keeping us posted with your observations and remarks. Secondly, your statements would deserve a much more technical reply and - as I am not technical at all - I personally will refrain from that: here on Psion Place there are extremely well-prepared experts who - if they will feel to - can say very much in proposal. therefore I will point out just one thing, simply on a user point of view. Symbian OS 6 and 7 are *NOT* OS for mobiles only. In fact, strip the mobile phone out of a 9210 and you effectively have the later version of an EPOC Release 5 handheld computer. the same will happen if youstrip the mobile phone out of a Symbian OS 7 based smartphone. but your statement about Symbian being just suitable for mobiles does not surprise me at all: it is just another demonstration that this subject has been widely misinterpreted. As to "supporting" PT, I would be even more grateful if you could kindly find the time to read the text of the petition. beyond each one's personal feelings about this regard, the spirit of the petition, once again, it is *not* against PT's decision of releasing a Psion netBook pro with Windows CE.net (which the petition do absolutely respect in full), but it is just in favour of developing a *second* OS option, that is a Symbian OSone. Moreover, the launch of the nB pro win ce.net is just the result of the original PTplan. the results of our initiative, are still to be seen: As a result, this is another good reason for signing in favour of the Symbian OS option for the new psion netbook pro, if you haven't done already;-) (1750 endorsers at the time of writing, and the number keeps on working steadily...) MartinMaxwell 10-04-2003, 10:26 PM >>>During 1998, Ericsson, Motorola, and Nokia decided to develop a brand new operating system for future generations of mobile phones- Epoc.<<< Wrong. They decided to continue developing EPOC Release 5 (ER5). They already found ER5 an excellent OS for the task superior to anything else and supporting a multi UI, multi licencee model. It was not a brand new OS. It was the same OS as is running in the netBook Classic and 5mx etc. ER6, ER7 etc are closely based on ER5 but things have been added including better security, a phone application, better support for multimedia, better messaging, Bluetooth, USB, Unicode etc and much more. >>>How ever, today Symbian is referred only to the Mobile world.<<< The netBook Pro is also mobile. Well, if you think you are going to use your WinCE netBook Pro as a desktop, go ahead! Nothing more needs to be said. >>>The current blessed Symbian OS that runs today on the mobiles is for your information Martin, far far away more advanced then what you have with your historical machine- the old Netbook.<<< Fantastic. I am being told that ER7 is more advanced than ER5. What a revelation!!! I could never have guessed. But then again, in the M$ world you never know of course. Many dissillusioned ex-M$-fanboys still claim that Windows 98 and NT/Win2000 were the best OSs they ever did and everything has been downhill since. >>>The Netbook is running ER5 while Symbian today refers to ER6/7.<<< So would you then defend a netBook Pro Symbian OS7 (ER7)? Because that is the alternative. Not ER5. >>>We all wished the Netbook would be Symbian based, because then we might have done many many more things <<< Good, at least you have realised that!!! >>>You see, we all need to go with what is the best . I adore the Symbian OS when it comes to mobile ( BTW, there is a new great phone coming out soon - the Siemens SX1)<<< Siemens SX1 is based on ER6.1 so according to your 'logic' it is already 'dead' before it is even released!!! Symbian is now on ER7.1 (ER7s, Symbian OS 7s), like the Nokia 6600 and Sony Ericsson P900. >>>on one hand , but when it comes to Handhelds, unfortunately the old Netbook is dead.<<< If you compare the specs in detail you will see that the old netBook is actually better in a few areas which might be crucial to many people. For instance, the netBook Pro WinCE does not have any Office functionality whatsoever and there is no Data application. There are also many other crucial applications missing. You will have to buy those separately and yet they might prove not to be so compatible because they are made for HP Jornada and the likes. >>>So, you cant blame me as a MICROSOFT evangelist.<<< No I do not consider your comments here as evangelical by any sense of the word. M$ evangelists are typically well researched. >>>I suggets that you and the rest will also adapt to reality and support Teklogixs with their move.<<< I do support netBook Pro with Symbian OS7 or later. I also support Psion and PT as a company and I am convinced that it would be in the best of their interest to offer a netBook Pro variant with the latest Symbian OS. cheers Martin zolee 10-15-2003, 07:02 PM This is not WinEpoc, realy WinCE see: http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?d__netbookpro__Netbook_PRO364.htm PDA Street
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