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Bobby Soprano
11-07-2003, 04:55 PM
Today I was navigating to a destination requiring a jughandle coming up on the right. No other way to do it, regardless of preference settings. Betty (and the turn list) wanted me to turn LEFT on a 6 lane divided highway, where it is obviously illegal, and HIGHLY dangerous to do so.

I would hate to think what a person of questionable intelligence would do in such a situation. Even more so .. I wouldn't want to be behind them, or in an oncoming lane. Sheeesh ...

Error94
11-07-2003, 05:29 PM
I've gotten the odd direction from Betty here and there, but I just use my eyes and ears. If someone was sitting in the seat next to me telling me to turn left on a highway, I wouldn't do it. If I had a printout from Mapquest telling me to turn left, I wouldn't do it. I hope we've all learn to take any directions, from whatever source, with a grain of salt! If not, well, just more entries for the Darwin awards! :D

jonasolof
11-07-2003, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Bobby Soprano
Today I was navigating to a destination requiring a jughandle coming up on the right. No other way to do it, regardless of preference settings. Betty (and the turn list) wanted me to turn LEFT on a 6 lane divided highway, where it is obviously illegal, and HIGHLY dangerous to do so.

I would hate to think what a person of questionable intelligence would do in such a situation. Even more so .. I wouldn't want to be behind them, or in an oncoming lane. Sheeesh ...

There have been previous reports of faulty left turns and I have seen one myself in Brussels. Should be reported to update.navtech.com

BTW We are about a billion people in the world that speak english but don't understand colloquial american. Some are even on this forum. What is a jughandle in this context?

Sorry for being OT, but I'll briefly tell a cute story about problems caused by americans believing that others grasp what they say. Ten years ago a small aircraft "safari" was organized to fly around the world from the US to Europe and further over recently postsoviet Russia onto Siberia to Japan and back to the US. A friend of mine took part. He told me that Siberian traffic controllers perfectly well understood foreigners speaking english on the air but nothing of the fast american flight jargon that US pilots were used to from home and continued to use around the globe. As you know, we are all divided by a common language
:)

Jonas

Bobby Soprano
11-07-2003, 10:42 PM
Sorry about forgetting the language barrier Jonas. In all honestly though .. you sound more fluent in English than me :)

There is a good explanation here:

http://web.mit.edu/spui/www/jug.html

I never realized that NJ was the jughandle capitol of the US .. figures .. LOL

Error94: I take everything with a grain of salt as well. However .. I might get slightly annoyed if that would happen in an unfamiliar area. As a matter of fact .. I DID see a young girl make an illegal left turn from the left lane on this same 55 mph highway. And the best part is .... I WAS behind her as she simply *stopped* in the fast lane to make the turn. This was about 6 months ago though .. so I doubt she had an iQue ... hehehe

jonasolof
11-08-2003, 04:35 AM
Plenty of jughandles in Sweden too. And more added all the time.
It is a large country with few people, they can't afford separated freeways all over the place and thus go for wide roads with lots of jughandles to diminish risk.

I think you'd have a delay of about two years before they are included on car nav software, so they obviously are a risk in that context. Some conflict in road safety work...

Don't know of any short name in other languages. BTW, gurunet didn't have it. Only led to Google. The link was fine.

Jonas