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[Steve Moore]

This message is really for Mike but I hoped it would provoke some general discussion.

Mike - I can't see why you've stopped Golmert's thread - maybe you are aware of previous posts that I'm not.

This forum surely covers all aspects of things Psion/netBook, including the hardware and industrial design that they have done so well over the years - not just the OS.

Golmert is right when he says that, thanks to the development behind .net, that the netBook Pro offers a range of connectivity and software benefits that aren't available on Epoc.

Whilst I have signed the petition, all that the current Symbian OS would offer us on netBook pro is familiarity and a better screen. Unless people develop drivers for the interfaces we won't benefit from the USB, etc. etc.

The .net machine appears to have been customised nicely by Teklogix and I hope it will be really successful. I also hope that a Symbian OS becomes available for it.

But it doesn't behove us to knock all .net discussions on the head. A more mature attitude would be to discover more abot the possibilities as Golmert suggests.

I say all this from the perspective from someone who has owned Psion products, including a number of netBooks, since the original organiser, as well as a Symbian OS phone (P900 with quite a nice interface layer) and a mac, so I'm not captain MS

[MikeMcC]

This message is really for Mike but I hoped it would provoke some general discussion No, it isn't for me. It is for all four moderators who are fully in accord with the action taken - I just happened to be the first moderator to see the post and to take the action which I did.maybe you are aware of previous posts that I'm not.Previous posts are publicly available in the forums for you to read, in context, and with replies. I suggest you read them.This forum surely covers all aspects of things Psion/netBook, including the hardware and industrial design that they have done so well over the years - not just the OS.The Netbook Pro forum was set up to discuss the new product in its widest sense - hardware, software, compatible peripherals, a potential alternative operating system and so on. But it doesn't behove us to knock all .net discussions on the head.Be assured that none of the moderators has any intention of doing anything to diminish proper discussion of the CE.NET operating system or any other valid issue relating to the NETBOOK PRO.

[netBookBabe]

Originally posted by MikeMcC
Be assured that none of the moderators has any intention of doing anything to diminish proper discussion of the CE.NET operating system or any other valid issue relating to the NETBOOK PRO. Steve, Mike is absolutely correct here, as a team we welcomed the launch of the new Psion and felt strongly that it deserved its own dedicated discussion area, hence the new forum that has been created.

Netbook Pro is in its infancy, but hopefully before too long we shall have some first-hand contributions and reviews from those who decide to take the plunge and purchase.

Everyone is welcome to contribute, provided that it is done with due respect to other forum members - that really is the only relevant point in this particular debate.

Julie

[Jim Cooke]

Steve,

The message in question would have been fine if it had alerted members to the review of the NBPro. The NBPro is a very different product than other Psion offerings. This is neither good nor bad but it's still a Psion product. The message suggested that we somehow need a "Microsoft" section here because we need "Microsoft guys" to help understand the NBPro. There are many members here who are already quite expert in Microsoft products. If anyone checks the connectivity and synchronization sections, they'll find the vast majority of posts deal with Microsoft products and how they interact with the Psion.

I believe Mike quite properly closed the thread because it was likely to lead to more heat than light. Any discussions about the features, benefits, and potential of the NBPro are quite appropriate. There's simply no need to disparage either other Psion products or the knowledge of members while doing so.

[golmert]

I have heard many expressions regarding posts which I made in favor of a Windows Netbook ( "troll" and more.....). I believe that the "peak" of this "anti" attitude has come up now by blocking the last thread I wrote.

I welcome you to have a look in the previous Psion Place forum where I as an owner of the Psion tried just like any one of you to "keep on living" the spirit of it.

You can even look here at the below thread where I urged all of us to push Savage to include the netbook in their roadmap of Java implementation on the Netbook( Unfortunately without success, as like any other developer they ignored the old Netbook as being "out" completely and not worth even spending time on new developments for it).

http://www.psionplace.com/boards/Netbook/messages/1355.html

As the time passed I realized that the old Netbook does not correspond any more with the advanced corporate users catching up with today's technology ( Well, yes that is right there are lots of "workarounds", but these do not really make it any easier).

Therefore I believe that the Netbook has been given a blessed energy now being a MS OS based ( sorry guys....I know you don't like to hear that).

Looking at this in actual reality and perspective, I think that all of us (yes, including you Mike and the rest of the moderators) should realize that point and live with the fact that the Netbook is no longer Symbian based but rather Windows based. That will make all of us to disconnect from the old perception and make sure every body benefits from this new forum.( well, those out there that would still like to carry memories with them are welcome to do that)

And if a new Symbian Based netbook will come - we will go on with the stream in that direction.... personally I think it is a complete naive to think so, because a business entity cannot Xcannot afford it self to loose money on a loosing market.
BTW- don't know if you heard but Nokia is considering to acquire Psion.Maybe that is one light at the end of the tunnel...

[MartinMaxwell]

I completely agree with the moderators.

This has nothing to do with the CE.NET vs Symbian OS discussion. Nor has it anything to do with discussing features or attractiveness of the NETBOOK PRO WinCE.NET or the proposed netBook Pro Symbian. Informative and fact based comparisons of the two, as well as actual user feedback, would always be appreciated.

Instead, this is about the flimsy, spurious and at the same time inflammatory and demagogic, posting style of Golmert. He is now complaining that people call him "troll" etc, just read back on all his postings and it should be awfully obvious that he fully deserves it.

If it talks like a troll, walks like a troll, posts like a troll...then what is it?

cheers
Martin

[MartinMaxwell]

Golmert is right when he says that, thanks to the development behind .net, that the netBook Pro offers a range of connectivity and software benefits that aren't available on Epoc.

This is actually not true. Today's version of EPOC, Symbian OS v7.0, supports all these connectivity options. It is unfair to compare the latest version of CE with a 6-7 year old version of Symbian OS. The only remaining questionmark is about the SDIO slot. I am aware that Symbian OS supports SD for memory functions, but I am not sure yet about the IO functions.

Unless people develop drivers for the interfaces we won't benefit from the USB, etc. etc..

Symbian OS supports USB. You should be aware of that since your P900 has a USB connector from the cradle.

cheers
Martin

[Jim Cooke]

Gomert,

All other issues aside, do you have a NetBook Pro? Since you have been such a strong advocate for its utility and features, I'm assuming that you have one and are using it rather than just reading reviews. I'd be most interested in a review from a former Symbian OS user who has a NetBook Pro and how it compares to the present Netbook. A hands-on review would be very helpful in helping me and other members here decide on what direction we should be headed in the PDA world.

[ceya]

WinCe Net is really not new .MS didn't know if it was going to put it out. it instead put out Handheld 2000. Since the reemerge of Pocket Pc(remember Apple in the late 80's) they pushed that side of the house. Net has been sitting for at least 5yrs.

The only reason WinCe Net came out imho is that the Japanese pushed for it. Psion is the 1st English based WinCe Net.

I have been with Psion for over 15 yrs and been Win Ce for almost 10yrs . I appauld Psion to take this by the horns, as I said in another thread Epoc is easier to use. If you use WinBased at work ,it is easier to drag and drop.


I have never used the &,Net book series since my last psion was the 5MX. If you got any questions on Win Ce , feel free to ask.

S/F,
Ceya..Epoc/WinCe user