vpm files

[BlueWire]

I'm new to the iQue and this is my first PDA - so bear with me. :)

Anyway, i've been testing software and trying to keep the RAM clean - ... but

there are over 100 files called xxxx.vpm (type=strm creator=sscl) and I would like to delete them if they are not needed - which is what i dont know how to figure out.

also, the garmin updater left a 5mb updated file in the RAM - is that needed?

thanks!

[Stymyx]

The VPM files are the voice files used for the spoken navigation commands. Not sure about that 5 meg file, though. What is the name of the file?

Oh, and welcome, BTW! :)

[Moose Man]

Originally posted by BlueWire
I'm new to the iQue and this is my first PDA - so bear with me. :)


also, the garmin updater left a 5mb updated file in the RAM - is that needed?

thanks!

The updater file can be deleted after you have performed the update - not to be a smart aleck but double check the instructions - this point was included so be certain that you are deleting the update file and not some other user file. There is no file of 5MB though that comes on the Que.

[BlueWire]

thanks

the file is called "UpdaterData" and its almost as big as the "GMAPBMAP" file. (must have missed it in the directions - though I reread them looking just for this issue)

for the vpm files - do I need them? It seems like they multiply and more keep appearing.

[Last Mrk]

Originally posted by BlueWire

for the vpm files - do I need them? It seems like they multiply and more keep appearing.

Only if you want the feature Stymyx mentions above. As far as I've noticed they don't multiply.

[Moose Man]

There are, I believe, 119 vpm files and two other voice files that are all used for voice directions. Haven't tried it but I assume that if you delete one - then certain voice prompts won't be realized. If you don't use the voice prompts at all then you can of course delete the files - they are not used for anything else and are "optional" as part of the normal installation anyway.

There are actually two files that you can delete:
Updater.prc and Updaterdata.pdb with regards to the #2 patch.

[BlueWire]

FYI

I asked Garmin
"Problem: After installing the firmware update, the "updater"
and "updater data" remain in the internal memory. The data file is large.
Is it OK to delete it?"

they replied
"Thank you for contacting Garmin International. You do nit want to delete the updater file in the iQue unit. If you delete it you will be deleting the update that has been made and the unit will revert back to the older software version. I do not recommend deleting the updater files in the unit."

[Moose Man]

Well - mine have been deleted as well as most everyone else's on this board- the process of updating "flashes the Rom" and the files are totally replaced in ROM hence the reason that the Version has changed after the update.

Keep them if you wish but they do not provide any functionality after the device has been flashed with the update.

[rwsmith123]

For the first patch, that was true, but not for the second one. The second one will update the flash eeprom so the files can be deleted afterward.

[Crrink]

Originally posted by Moose Man
The updater file can be deleted after you have performed the update - not to be a smart aleck but double check the instructions - this point was included so be certain that you are deleting the update file and not some other user file. There is no file of 5MB though that comes on the Que.

The instructions mention deleting the new user account necessarry to install the update, but they make no mention of deleting anything on the iQue at all.

[ique-denver]

When you delete a user from the iQue, doesn't that delete all the files that belong to that user? If that is right, when you delete the temporary user (Release2) that deletes the updater files that belonged to that user. The reason I think that must be the case is that I never manually deleted the updater files and yet they are not on my iQue.

If they are still on your iQue, I suspect that you didn't delete the temporary user correctly, or perhaps used another method to install release 2 that didn't use a temporary user.

[ique-denver]

By checking the Palm Desktop help, I answered my own question. The 'quote' below is from the Delete User Message Box and it warns that deleting a user name deletes all that user's data.

Use the Delete User message box to confirm deleting a user or to cancel the deletion process.

Important Deleting a user name deletes all the data associated with that user name.

Yes Confirm deleting the user name and all the data associated with it.
No Cancel deletion of the user name.

[Moose Man]

Well to confirm what ique-denver said and my own experimentation which was to reinstall the updater prc and rerun the application - something is definitely wrong.

The updater files are deleted in two ways - both by deleting the temporary user name and automatically as part of the update.

Therefore, BlueWire - be certain to check that you have version as noted: by tapping "info" from the menu option of the default launcher then tap version. Your Palm OS version should be v.5.2.1r2.

If it's not then the update has not been completed. If it is - then I'd say something sneaked back in but the two Updater files are not necessary if you are running v.5.2.1r2.

[MHS]

Has anyone moved the vpm files to the SD card? It would free up internal memory..... If so, would they go in the root directory or the GARMIN/ directory on the card where the basemaps and detailed maps are located.

Mike

[Crrink]

I am showing the new version, but I also have the two files in the internal memory of my iQue.
I deleted the temporary user name through the Palm Desktop software - can it/should it have been done via the iQue itself? Perhaps that's what I did wrong?

[ique-denver]

If you deleted it in Palm Desktop, that should have done the job on the next hotsync. Have you gone to Tools - Users on the Palm Desktopand checked to be sure that the temporary user is really gone? If it is still there, go through the delete process again (which is also on Tools - Users) and then see if it is really gone, then do your hotsync.

The bottom line is that you do not need the two updater files which went with release 2 (which updated the firmware and is irreversable) and you can safely manually delete them.

[Crrink]

Well, that's interesting:
To make a long story short, I had originally used my name as the username for the iQue. After doing the update I decided that I'd like to use a different name since my wife and I will be sharing the unit. I soon discovered that the map install program would default to my original user name only when building maps.
I quickly tried to find a way around this, but gave up within seconds and just went back to using my original user name....and I did this by renaming the temp user I'd used for the update process.
DOH!

That's probably where I ran into trouble.

So, are you guys REALLY sure I can delete those two files? Deleting them isn't going to give me the modem screech I've read so much about??;) (have yet to experience one of those, thankfully.)

Wonder if I should build a new user, copy my address book and calendar over, delete the old one, and then rename the new one....

[ique-denver]

That would do it. You didn't delete the temporary user, just renamed it, so the files stayed there. Yes, you can delete the files without harm. The modem screech comes from a processor problem according to the Garmin tech I spoke to today. I have to send mine back because the $#!% power pin broke off (I don't know how I will get along without it).

If your setup is working as it is, I would say delete the two files and leave everything else alone. I'm not sure how all that moving around of files would work.

Anyway, I'm glad that you figured out what happened. I was certainly scratching my head over it.

Good luck,

Dee

[Crrink]

Hehe, very sorry for forgetting the crucial information, but your help is much appreciated.

[Moose Man]

Crrink, the only concern that I have about your setup or system is the following:

Go to the applications program, tap menu, tap info, then tap Version: The Palm OS should read: v.5.2.1r2

The r2 is the release two and as long as you have this then delete the updater files. They would have been deleted as part of the flash and only restored into the device as part of the "backup" from that errant user name scenario you described.

As long as the OS is as noted your good to go.

One reason for the renaming or creation of a second user file - wasn't necessarily just to provide a safety net for the backup of your existing data but also to avoid having the updater file "reloaded" into the system upon the restoration. These files were automatically deleted as part of the flash on the handheld - I know cause I checked it again last night per my earlier post.

[Crrink]

Yes, the correct version does show up in the iQue - hey, I did most of it right! :)
Once again, thanks for the help.