Can programs be run from Memory Stick?

[rwalk]

Hello,
I'm fairly new to the Palm O/S, but purchased a T615C Clie a while back, along with 64MB memory stick. My hope was to use the card not only for data, but for programs.

However, every time I download a program, it's installed in the internal memory of the Clie. Attempting to move the program via "MSGate" generates an error, "Current folder is access inhibit".

Does anyone know either:
(a) How to move program code to the memory stick in another way, or
(b) A hack I can use to unprotect the folder so I can move the program via MSGate?

I understand that certain programs requiring fast access to the hardware may need to remain in internal memory, but surely SOME programs can be moved, right?

Thanks in advance,

-Ron

[john441]

Ron,

I am able to launch program from the memory stick with no problem on my T615C.

When I install them from the Palm Desktop, I just change the destination
from handheld to the memory stick.

John

[Pman]

There aren't too many programs that can run natively off of the memory stick. Personally, I use Launcher III (Still waiting for Launcher X to ge released) and that allows me to move applications to the memory stick and run then from there. They run a little slower due to the wait time for it to load in to RAM, but it saves a ton of space. A lot of folks use PIDirect to do this as well.

[Mason]

Ron,

You can launch programs natively from the drop-down menu on the Home screen: Select the memory stick (at the bottom of the menu,) and it will take you the launch screen for the stick. You have to switch launchers this way which is a little cumbersome. Alternatively, install a launcher, see the replies above for some good ideas.

Programs are locked both for copyright and design reasons. If you find a method of copying a locked program onto a memory stick, it may not work, or produce catastrophic results when executed. The Sony manuals for the Japanese NR series models has a brief discussion of this and a warning that you may permanently corrupt databases by moving programs or databases designed for use in RAM.

Move with caution!

Mason

[escomps]

I have a T1615 also and think I can help,


Altough some programs will run slow on your memory stick they should all work and you can install them there.

To install a program to the MS: Open your palm destop for CLIE, hit install, add the program(s) you wan to install to your list, then select them, then hit change destination below that. Once your in that menu select the program(s) you want sent to the MS and hit the arrow. They should then appear in the MS colum. Just hit OK and do a Hotsync.

About MS gate I've tried that but it didn't work for me either. If you want to move programs that are already on your CLIE just hit the top menu bar; then under app select copy. You can now choose the program to copy and send it to your MS.


Hope this helps!

[RobH]

My question is similar: I have installed the Zagat Restaurant Guide and Wine Enthusiast 2003 programs on my T615. Each program has several data files. Some of these data files are huge, and I want to put the ones that don't have to be in RAM on the memory stick. Ideally, I'd like to be able to move them back to RAM when I really need them (for example, when I go to visit a city whose restaurants I will want to look up.)

The problem is that MS Gate shows the "locked" icon next to these programs. When I try to move the data file to the memory stick, I get the message "Current folder is access inhibit".

I have Launcher X installed on my Clie, but that doesn't seem to help either.

Has anybody done this, or something similar? What am I missing?

Rob

[Try Me Out]

As stated previously, the standard launcher that comes with the clie can access your mem stick and it will display programs stored there. You can copy or move apps there via MS-gate.

Dedicated app launchers like silver screen and megalauncher (my choice), automatically shows all your apps, indicating whether they reside in their ram or the mem stick. You can then move them from one area to the other with their corresponding functions.

I haven't tried loading the standard rest. and wine databases, but you can of course copy them to the mem stick and then delete them from ram. Check if the app that comes with these databases is able to access the mem stick. If so, then you can copy the databases to the mem stick and delete them from ram.

The clie remote control app does not recognize the memstick. So a technique I did was I installed MS-mount (an app that lets you put files on the mem stick but are made to look like they reside in ram), and coped to it only the device files (tvdef, ampdef, etc). The remote control app is able to access these files as if they reside in memory, and I was able to free up the ram used by these files. You can try this with your wine and rest. app.

stay cool:cool:

[zeke87]

Some third party apps such as ZLauncher (my favorite), Launcherx, and MegaLauncher allow people to run files from cards. One can also use a program like PowerRun, which specifically copy the program & databases to RAM, then copy it back out when you're done with it. Therefore, you need to have the ram available. PiDirect fools the application into thinking its databases are on RAM, but they're really on the card. I believe that Launcher X now creates "stubs", kind of like shortcuts, but they allow the program to be hotsynced from the card (cool). The launchers allow it, but depending on how stable it is, it might give you more control to do it with PiDirect or Powerrun. Enjoy your clie. Check out Cliesource.com and you can search for about anything, and it's been discussed :)

[Mayor]

It puzzles me to no end why Sony creates a PDA with a memory stick and then it is so hard to use. I have read endless comments like these from others and I have never suceeded in getting mine to do what I want it to do. Wouldn't you just like to look the guy who invented it in the eye and ask him/her exactly what they had in mind?

[Try Me Out]

On the contrary my friend. Sony included all the utilities needed to efficiently organize and use the MS.

MS-Import: the perfect interface with your PC. You can easily transfer files to and from your PC and PDA MS as if it were another drive. I use this even to install programs directly to the MS. The launcher immediately responds after I exit.

MS-Gate: a very good integrator of palm memory and the MS. Although Megalauncher has an option to do this more easily, and I myself use McFile, nevertheless, it is a good program to use.

MS-Autorun: a means by which you can immediately run a program from the MS when it is inserted. Good for a library you would want to build on the MS.

It just takes a little practice. Don't be afraid to use these programs or tinker around with launchers like megalauncher or launcherX, and even apps like McFile, MS-Mount, or Pi-Direct. The worst that can happen is that the file you play around with gets lost, or gets multiple copies in several areas. And all these consequences can easily be fixed.

Once you master it, you'll find that you can extend the power of your PDA by leaps and bounds! I myself have virtually added about 25MB or RAM with the apps I use (all games are on the MS) with the help of Megalauncher and MS-mount, which can extend to as much as the MS itself!

Stay cool, dudes.:cool:

[Mayor]

In real life I am a university prof. (biostatistics). I keep a class list in my address book on my Clie. I take a digital picture of each of my students and link it to their name. I wanted to put the pictures on the MS which I succeeded in doing but could not link them to the address book. It didn't seem to work unless they were in PDA memory.

[Try Me Out]

Sounds like a job for MS-Mount or PI-direct. In the simplest sense, these apps fool your pda into thinking that files stored in the mem stick (in folders that are assigned by these apps) are in pda memory.

Its a great space saver for those apps that are not sophisticated enough to seamlessly integrate with the mem stick. Check out what I did with the large "def" files in Clie remote in a previous message I sent.

Good luck, professor! I hope my suggestions help. Nice hi-tech approach to managing your classes!

stay cool, dudes!:cool:

[garymazza]

Yes some programs can be loaded completely and run from the memory stick. I am running several. DataViewer from Town Compass fully functional from the stick only. Several Bible programs from Olive Tree. Good luck they are out there ...

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