So here it is !

[alain75]

http://www.brighthand.com/article/Tungsten_T_review

But no Mp3, and although looks better on this picture, I don't like the design ....

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

I picked up my Tungsten | T yesterday and it is awesome. I was less than thrilled with the design until I actually got to hold it. Once you collapse the pda to hide the graffiti area you’ll see the brilliance in it. It is very compact and well constructed. It is replacing my Sony Clie NR70V, which didn’t play well with my Powerbook.

For you Mac OS x users, the Tungsten | T works flawlessly with OS 10.2. Palm even included ‘Documents To Go’ for the Mac. I also installed the software on my WinXP Pro machine (gaming machine) and it ran like a charm.

[david.silva]

Does it work with iSync?

[david.silva]

Does it work with iSync?

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

Yes, it works with isync. both the OS X address book and iCal synced with my Tungsten | T.

[palmwatcher]

I'm currently debating between the NX70V and the Tungsten (I'm retiring my NR70V). I agree that the Clie would only work under Classic on Jaguar(10.2). I guess I wonder if you miss the larger screen, etc.

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

I was looking into the new Clie as well. I actually do not miss the screen since I do not see that it added value. You could not make the virtual graffiti "go away" to even utilize the screen space. With that in mind, there really isn't much of a difference. I'm not sure how good the screen will be on the NX70V, but the Tungtsens screen quality is a lot better than the NR70V.


I also got tired of the height of the NR70V. It is just too tall and it doesn't really need to be. I am still baffled as to why Sony didn't include built in 802.11b support for the NX70V. The expansion card is lame for such a large size pda.

[OldBlue]

I ordered my Tungsten from Palm yesterday and the package was sitting on my office chair when I returned from lunch today! I did not think Palm would be able get it to me overnight as they had advertised, since it shipped out of Kentucky yesterday evening. Obviously, I was wrong.

The Tungsten is wayyyy cool and replaces my m505, which I've had since May 2001. I moved the SD card from the m505 and applications like CityTime, SplashPhoto, BigClock, and numerous games and utilities all worked fine. Mapopolis did not work, but I read on their web site that they have a new release for OS5.

Overall (and please realize I'm still in the honeymoon stage) I'm impressed with the quality, design, speed, and features of the Tungsten. (At least as far as I have been able to try out for the past couple of hours.) Also, Palm's ordering and delivery system was a very good experience.

OldBlue

[dadutchdude]

do you work for Palm? there reviews and there´s advertising.....?!

[OldBlue]

Your sensors need tweaking. Just because someone is very happy with a product and speaks well of it does not mean they work for that company nor are they advertising. My post was not meant as a review, but rather to tell of my individual experience with my Tungsten during the first few hours with it. I apologize if I seem too pleased and enthusiastic to you.

OldBlue

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

I Agree with you Oldblue. I Interpreted your comments about the Tungsten as those of a happy customer, not an employee of Palm. In the end, I am sure the Palm employees who own Tungstens are happy about it as well.

[bryus]

I have not been a fan of Palm handhelds for quite a while. The Mxxx series have not impressed me at all. I have a HandEra and was only considering a Sony for an upgrade prior to the TT being released.

But having now tried out the TT, I can honestly say I am impressed. It appears to be a very good handheld. The display is crisp and bright and switching between apps is noticably faster than my HE.

It is possible to like the TT and not be a Palm employee.

[Monon333]

I dont get it, I looked at the Tungsten and played with one for about a hour. It has a cover that covers nothing that might turn on the PDA, it just trys to make it look bigger when it is pulled out. It has the smallest display I have seen yet on a Color PDA, Palm still hasn't caught on to the whole side rocker for reading and menu browsing. It has the ability to play MP3's but they don't provide a mp3 player for it.

So what am I missing, is it the small screen, the lack of a rocker wheel, no MP3 player, he non multi tasking, or the incredable price of 500.00 that makes this thing so great............

Or could it be the fact that it just looks neat with the slide down case................

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

Uh, case? It doesn't have a case. The lower section slides up an down to make the pda smaller and more compact. I am looking at my Clie NR70V right now and I do not see a difference in screensize. The Clie appears bigger until you turn it on and realize that 30% of the lower screen is used for "virtual grafitti" that you CAN NOT make go away.

The Tungsten comes with a clear screen cover.

I agree that the lack of mp3 software is lame, but the form factor makes up for it. Also, I prefer the new uni-directional navigation over the clumsy side nav on the Sony handhelds.

[bryus]

The screen is not smaller, it may appear that way because of the case but it is the same size as mot other displays. The M1xx units have a smaller screen but not the TT.

If you are referring to the sliding buttons that cover the grafitti area, that is not to cover anything that could turn it on. The purpose of that is that Palm found that users don't do data imput most of the time so the handheld can be smaller if that seldom used area is covered.

I don't understand the lack of rocker wheel, even with the 5-way pad it would still be usefull.

As for mp3, it is reported to be on the way. They probably didn't want to hold up sales of a new, highly anticipated PDA just because of one add-on application.

Yes the price is a little high but it is if you purchase a Bluetooth SD card for a M515 you would have about a 100$ lower price but with a lower resolution display and no expansion when the SD card is in. Also, you would have a slower handheld.

[DrMud]

OldBlue,
Do you have any feeling for how much of a speed gain you have?
I use a lot of large Bonsai files; on my 515 they take a few seconds to open. Also I really get frustrated when TealPhone decides to sort my 3700 contacts just when I need one number.

Any change in the time required to hotsync?

Doc

[Monon333]

I have a NR70v and what do you mean you can not make the Virtual area can not dissapear, I'm reading a Palm reader book right now useing the Full screen, which is way bigger that the TT. Also what do you mean they added the slide bar to make it smaller, it's still the same size, it's the slider that makes it bigger when it's open. It seems to me that Sony is the only truely new type of Palm to come along.

Sony
1 MP3 and Movie Player Built in
2 Largest PDA Screen on the Market (Palm or PPC)
3 Remote controller for MP3's
4 Builtin Keyboard
5 Camera
6 Movie Recorder
7 Picture viewer
8 Rotating Flip Screen, also a great screen protector
9 Skinnable Grafitti
all of this for 600.00

Tungsten
1 Slideing grafitti Cover
2 Great resolution small screen
3 Builtin Blue tooth (Why not WIFI, Blue tooth is junk)
that's it for 500.00

I know about the Memory cards, new OS, and new CPU, but they both have that, I'm talking about the differences for the money.

If Palm priced this at 300.00 then I would have been impressed, but with Toshiba coming out with E330, at 300.00, which has the new Xprocessor and Divx Palyer, Media player, voice command, 64meg ram, nice display, ect. Palm is going to start adding the Extras if they really want to go into entertainment PDA Market, Which is what the new Arm processor is really all about............

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

The NR70V is the biggest gimmick ever made... unfortunatley I fell for it. When not in an application you can not make virtual graffiti go away, when using avantgo you can't make virtual grafitti go away, and when using documents to go you can not make it go away.

The camera is a crap. the resolution is not good for anything... except snapping pictures of a white board. the mp3 playback doesn't matter to me since i have an ipod. I never used the keyboard... when using it you automatically have a 1 foot pda. movie recorder... uh, why is this useful? Rotating screen, once again a useless feature. I would prefer a nice small form fitting case since the magnesium is chipping on my NR70V.

Bluetooth is junk? the NR70V doesn't even have that. The NX70V has a huge expansion card you can plug into the device to get 802.11 support. I am not interested in a pda the size of a small laptop, but different stokes, right?

I am not looking to replicate my pc on a pda. my powerbook will outperform any pda. the Tungsten T is simple, fast, effecient, and small. It syncs to my moblie phone and works with my mac (and my pc). The screen is great, the OS and hardware support mp3 playback and movie playback.... that is just software. I prefer the form factor over Sony, Compaq/HP, Toshiba, etc.

Anytime something new comes out people will complain about it. I complained until I used it. Of course I am biased since I started to dislike my NR70 about 2 months after i bought it.

[PDASROCK]

Hey, since it sucks so much, wanna give me your nr70? I'll even pay shipping and 20$ for going to the trouble of sending it to me. Heh, cheers

[OldBlue]

DrMud,

I don't have anything quantitative for you, but searches and file openings are noticably faster. I have about 2200 records in my address book and have always used the Address Books that came with my Palms. With my m505, I was using Maximizer as my contact manager and syncing to it, but am waiting for a response from MultiActive regarding compatability with OS5 and the TT before I try syncing to Maximizer. ... Palm's native "Find" is much faster than on my m505, as are opening image files in SplashPhoto.

I'm hotsyncing to Palmdesktop via USB and it's considerably faster than with my m505. Slowest part of the sync is DocumentsToGo. ... Also, I have read that AvantGo does not yet work reliably with OS5 and/or the TT, so I have gone without my daily news this week. I am also waiting for a response from AvantGo. ... Mapopolis crashed on my TT, but their web site says they released version 5.0 for Palm OS5 on October 28th, so I need to download and install that version. The maps took quite a while to load on my m505 (e.g. Alameda County is 950KB), so it will be interesting to see how much faster it loads on the TT.

Sorry I don't have any specific speed or variance numbers for you. All I can say is the TT is a whole lot faster.

OldBlue

[DrMud]

OLdBlue,
Thanks for the update....I'm satisfied with subjective observations.
Doc

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

PDASROCK,

As much as I would love to sell you my NR70 for $20, someone already offered me a walnut and some lint.

Chao

[PDASROCK]

Seriously? Man, just my luck that some rich, hairy guy with lots of nuts would steal my deal... to bad...

[Stardust]

I plan to replace my nine-month-old Prism with either a Tungsten or a Sony T665C. Any strong reasons I should go either way? My main concerns are: 1) color fidelity and brightness; 2) battery life; and 3)ease of handling.

[DrMud]

As a Palm owner I am biased.
As an individual that reads about handheld problems on three boards I would tell you the number of "different" SONY problems is amazing. As regards the T665 I have not noticed an unusual number of problems. The Screen on the TT is very clear, the colors in the reds are off (to me) on both units. The T665 is lighter. The controls on the Palm are easier for me to use. This question has a lot in common with buying shoes; what fits one, fails to fit another.
Doc

[PDASROCK]

What drmud says is true, sony clies can have a wide range of problems, but, on the other hand, these are usually issues with things that only clies have, like ms, mp3, high res, etc. On the other hand, the tungsten is looking mighty fine to me. If you need bluetooth, get the tungsten t, if you need a cheaper option, get the t665c. They are about the same size(until the tt has its buttons extended) and are both good units.

[Monon333]

Ok, I have had several more days with the TT, It has really grown on me, I think it could be one of the best PDA's on the market. The only Complaint I have now, I hope will be fixed by some third party software. The only real issue against the TT is the ability to send programs to the SD card, Syncing and Sync Wizard both Take hours to send a 30 meg Video file. I hope some software developer sees the potential to write this type of program.


:D

[DrMud]

HOURS! I wonder if there is a better setting for your USB?
Doc

[Monon333]

It's the Palm that causes the slow down, I have tried three different computers and it's the same time on each, something in the Palm sync program causes the slow down, Sony got arounf it by making a dirrect connection in their MP3 program, I bet Palm does the same thing......

[DrMud]

It sounds like a "must do" for Palm. Have you tried using a card reader to speed the event?
I see readers listed in TigerDirect.com for around $29 USD that read more than one Style of memory card.

Doc

[Monon333]

That is going to be my next step, A card reader should fix the time issue until someone puts out a fix....

[OldBlue]

Monon333

I just loaded 14.3 MB of teal movie files to my SD card via USB hotsync using the stock Palm Installer and it took 12 minutes 17 seconds. That's a little over 1 MB per second. I agree that seems a bit slow, but it is not the "hours" that you claim. I appreciate the gists of your posts, but your exaggerations and subjective comments tend to lower your credibility.

OldBlue

[DrMud]

It sounds to me like TealPoint has a better optimization stratedgy for file transfer than the previously discussed product.
DrMud

[OldBlue]

Hi, Doc

It's not the TealPoint. I was using the stock Palm Installer application to place large files (which just happened to be movie files for my TealMovie app) onto my SD Card, which was in my TT and in its USB cradle, to confirm Monon333's claim of large files taking "hours" to install. He had responded to 2 other threads and mentioned files of 30 MB and 45 MB. Based on the rates that I observed in my trials, his 45 MB file should have loaded in less than 39 minutes. That's quite a bit of time, but hardly "hours", which implies two or more.

I enjoy and appreciate posts such as Monon333's, because they keep me abreast of potential problems. What I don't find helpful are exaggerations or unsubstantiated claims, because they often get spread as "gospel" by well-meaning visitors to boards such as this one. Palm users don't come to these boards for mis-information and they don't deserve to be mislead.

OldBlue

[AFROTC_Cadet045]

HUA! OldBlue.

AFROTC_Cadet045

[dodgyj]

Can anyone advise on the battery life of the TT. My 515 runs down fast when using its bluetooth Sd card.

[DrMud]

BlueTooth does connsume extra power. I can't imagine that the built in Bluetooth on the TT will use much less thenm the SD Card variant. I wonder if the TT got the heavy duty battery that the TW got?
Doc

[Monon333]

I did not make up or exaggerate how long it took, the difference in speed can be explained in the OS, you know XP, NT, 98 ECT, or Hardware, reguardless of the amount of time, the point is that it Sucks on transfers.... and palm needs to put out a better transfer program.

I'm not going Sony is better than palm, I'm just pointing out that on the Sony (NX 70v) it took 3 Minuets, and going by your number it would take Palm 45, No matter how you cut it that sucks.

[OldBlue]

Monon333

This is getting beaten into the ground, so this will be my last post on this thread.

How can you say "going by your number it would take Palm 45 (minutes)" when I specifically wrote "his 45 MB file should have loaded in less than 39 minutes"? And which length of time for moving 45 MB are you claiming is true, your post stating 45 minutes or your earlier post stating hours? Is one an exaggeration? Your lack of consistency causes me to take anything you say with a grain of salt.

OldBlue

[Monon333]

Sorry about my miss qoute on your numbers, But I may have found out why we have such a difference on syncing speed.... I found that on other posts that Palm may have a issue with Scandisk SSD cards, that is the brand I'm using, is it your brand as well ?
I don't consider this beating a issue to death, I think this is how solutions are found.............:p

[palmwatcher]

Monon,

Try another SD (not SANdisk). I had a 256MB SanDisk and it took almost 20 min. to sync a 4 MB movie. I changed to a 64MB and dropped the sync time to 3-4 min for the same. It doesn't seem to be the size (Lexar and other 256MB's don't have this problem). I also tried a 64MB SanDisk with no problem. Just something a little hinky about the 256.