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Ulixes
05-31-2004, 03:51 AM
Hi all,

I'm a long time italian Psion user since the glorious Series 3a times.
Lately I've lurked on these forums and found a really active community. It's a great emotion to see that Psion is still in the hearts of many users just like me.

As a welcome gift I have for all the Psion/Netbook Pro users a sensational scoop!

This is the first real piece of evidence after the famous Potter's interview.

I simply couldn't resist to post it all here.

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http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Search/EditStory.asp?ID=6995


NHS deal with Psion heralds move away from Windows
by Tony Glover
23/05/2004

BRITAIN'S National Health Service (NHS) has signed a multi-million pound deal for a substantial number of new handheld computers from UK-based computer company Psion Teklogix. The deal signals a move away from laptops using Microsoft's Windows operating system in favour of less fragile devices running the open-source operating system Linux.

Though the first versions of the Psion handheld computers being used by the NHS run a scaled-down version of Windows, The Business has learned that Psion has developed a prototype of the device, the Netbook Pro, that will run on Linux, increasingly seen as an alternative to virus-prone Windows.

Psion believes public services such as health need especially reliable devices and operating systems. The current generation of Psion Netbooks, which are larger than a traditional handheld computer but more compact than a laptop and retail at just under £1,000 (E1,480, $1,750) have been designed to be physically tougher and lighter than a standard laptop and to have a much longer battery life.

The initial NHS pilot trials were with district nurses, who used the laptops to connect with mobile phone networks to access patients' medical records while visiting them. This uses the interim mobile data technology called 2.5G. But according to Psion, the Netbooks have been designed to easily convert to run on newer wireless networks such as 3G or wi-fi. The NHS chose the Psion devices because they were a more rugged version of a traditional laptop.

Organisations like the NHS, which often have responsibility for people's lives, are wary of Microsoft's Windows operating system for several reasons. The first is cost: Windows is expensive and extra software like Microsoft Office can add as much as £400 a machine to the bill. The second reason is the recent rash of computer viruses like Blaster and Sasser, which have highlighted vulnerabilities in Microsoft's operating system. While office workers may regard virus attacks as a nuisance or a threat to revenues, Psion believes computer crashes could cost lives in environments such as hospitals, where a delay in the treatment of a critically ill patient can be crucial.

Linux represents a way back into the Microsoft-dominated world of computing for companies like Psion. Psion recently enraged many of its shareholders by selling off its share in Symbian, the Nokia-backed company that is using a modified version of Psion's old operating system, Epoc, to power high-end mobile phones. But Psion chairman and founder David Potter subsequently revealed to The Business that the company is involved in developing a whole range of handheld computing devices running on Linux. Other supporters for Linux include Microsoft rivals such as IBM and Sun Microsystems.

When Psion sold its 31% share of Symbian for £135.7m, it was assumed to have buried its old handheld computing *****ions, which were based on the Epoc operating system, now owned by Symbian. The uncrashable Epoc operating system made Psion's hanhdeld computers firm favourites in Europe and enabled Psion to see off bigger competitors such as Far Eastern electronics manufacturer Sharp. But the devices did not prove popular in the US. Linux has now given Potter a second chance.


http://www.thebusinessonline.com
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Well, aren't these great news?
Especially the phrase "whole range of handheld computing devices"...

Probably we will never see again our beloved Epoc on a Psion but at least we will not have to get stuck with Win CE.

I think that Potter is in love again with handhelds, and that's what we where hoping all the time.

psionino
05-31-2004, 12:23 PM
Hi All

This is great news.

But as it shows it took the buying power of the NHS to make the
People a PT change the software on the netBook pro.

As we are on the subject is linux similar to epoc or is it very different.

Psionino

PlutoPants
05-31-2004, 06:29 PM
Yep, positive news indeed - thanks for the info.

Welcome to the Psionplace forum Ulixes - we're all hopeful that Linux might breathe life once more into our aging EPOC devices - although EPOC has been so good and stable, it's a hard cat to follow.

Does anyone here work for the NHS????

Could animal doctors be interested also in a version - Vetbook Pro.??:D
George

vitualis
06-01-2004, 05:01 AM
Don't get too carried away though...

A lot of stuff in that article is factually incorrect...

Firstly, Windows CE is hardly virus prone... there are no viruses that affect it at all. It seems like "The Business" can't tell the difference between Windows CE.NET and mainstream desktop Windows.

In addition, though Linux on the NB Pro would be awesome, don't forget the limitations. Namely, there isn't too much Linux source code out there that is written for the ARM processor so don't think that you will be able to run your favourite Linux apps. on the NB Pro.

In any case, getting Linux to run on the NB Pro shouldn't be difficult at all. After all, the famous Psion NetPad can be hacked to run Linux as well and the hardware between the NetPad and NB Pro is quite similar. Not to mention that you can get both the iPAQ and the Siemens Simpad to run Linux too.

IF PT does release a batch of NB Pros with default Linux installations, I seem a massive following in a few years time in the seconds market... ;-)

Best regards.

Dryde
06-01-2004, 02:53 PM
This sounds very good news for Psion. However I have been watching this for a few days and nothing more seems to have appeared as news. Certainly not an official announcement from Psion Teklogix.

The Motley Fool (a share investment web site) discussion board has talked about this for a few days and the posts showed a degree of scepticism noting a rumour from The Register a few years back saying millions of Revos were destined for the NHS (apparently overheard in a pub).

Let's hope this is a breakthrough for the "Pro".

Dryde

Ulixes
06-01-2004, 03:43 PM
Hi all and thank you!

As we are on the subject is linux similar to epoc or is it very different.

Well we must look at two different aspects, the core (engine) and the graphic interface (chassis, just like in a car).

The core of the embedded Linux is small, modular and scalable, built to run using few resources. Modularity means that the developers can install only what is really necessary.
Microsoft CE, instead, for compatibility with his big brother XP is fatty, is "bloatware", let's just look at its awful RAM usage.
I'm not saying that Linux is similar to Epoc, but we can say that both Epoc and Linux are really different from Microsoft CE and share some programming philosophy.

The core is already written and it's open source, Psion developers must only convert and customize it for the Pro, just like the http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/ guys are doing.

But what we see is not the core, is the Graphic User Interface of the system. In Epoc we had Eikon, but in Linux, well, Psion developers will definitely use their creativity. They can build it from scratch. They can even make it similar to Eikon. It's all in their hands and I think they will create something great.




Firstly, Windows CE is hardly virus prone... there are no viruses that affect it at all. It seems like "The Business" can't tell the difference between Windows CE.NET and mainstream desktop Windows.


Well, I think they are speaking generally of win and Linux:


the Netbook Pro, that will run on Linux, increasingly seen as an alternative to virus-prone Windows.


They are only saying that linux is seen as an alternative to Windows, they don't mention anywhere CE.net. Probably they are implying that NHS will switch to Linux in a whole range of mission critical machines, even their desktops.

I think Psion wants to ride the tiger. Potter knows well that lately the market is searching for Windows alternatives, and using Linux is the right move. Because Linux is now seen as THE alternative.

Symbian OS, now has gone too far away into the wireless market, and, by the way.... it just isn't famous as Linux! A name means a lot in the market, and Linux has a growing reputation. I think it's a smart move by Psion.

From our point of view Vitualy is correct. In the beginning we will not have much software, but Linux is very well known among developers and it will be a very little step for them to port some good sofware on the Psion machines.

Example: the Sharp Zaurus SL-C860 http://www.i4u.com/article830.html is a Linux pda and has the same processor of the nBPro; there is already a growing community of free sofware developers.

I'm sure we will have a lot of good software.

As Dryde points out this can simply be a rumor spread by a site and then bounced everywhere; we can only wait.

Well, let's see. Anyway I think that Potter in his interview was hinting at something like this linux-on-nBPro, NHS or not.
The deal could evaporate, but this would remain.

Ed_Ca22
06-05-2004, 09:51 AM
In addition, though Linux on the NB Pro would be awesome, don't forget the limitations. Namely, there isn't too much Linux source code out there that is written for the ARM processor so don't think that you will be able to run your favourite Linux apps. on the NB Pro.

Ummmmmm, hold on, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Namely, one of the great things about Linux is that as soon as a kernel and (C/C++) compiler have been written for a system, almost any software for Linux can be compiled and run on it. So any software with available source code, or that the vendor has chosen to compile to arm targets will work. The whole of the debian distribution for example (which generally uses about 4 CDs for all the software) is available precompiled for arm, and most other software is also available. The only things that wont work are those that have assembler code in them, and in Linux almost everything is written in C and C++ to avoid that. So it's all pretty cushty really. Unfortunately you wont be able to install things like Borlands Kylix or other commercial programs because they havent been compiled for arm, but other than that sort of program there are literally MILLIONS available!

If they truly make the move I will snap up the chance to have a small, lightweight, long battery life laptop with a great keyboard, high res colour screen and any software I care to download.

Looking forward to some great Linux based PDAs from my favorite company (Psion),

Ed

Ulixes
06-06-2004, 02:55 PM
On my part I was thinking that the applications will have to implement and respect the proprietary interface (widgets and libraries like gtk) that Psion will likely implement on nBPro's Linux and that requires some conversion of source code.

Someone more into Linux programming than me can further clarify.

Ed_Ca22
06-08-2004, 03:33 PM
It depends what system Psion intend to use for a GUI, but theoretically it should be no problem to mess around with a linux install and put what you like on it. If they decide to use OPIE for example (one available GUI designed for PDAs) I see no reason why you wouldnt be able to dump it and install X Windows and the gtk libraries, or any other software you might want. This may or may not cause difficulties in running software that Psion would bundle with the netbook (e.g. if the office apps were written for OPIE a way to run them in X would need to be found or you'd be forever switching between the two).

Ed.

Nemo20000
06-10-2004, 09:43 AM
An OFFICIAL Psion linux would be so much better than any hacked-together enthusiast effort. This is astonishingly good news, and will be far more effective (for Psion, and therefore us) than getting EPOC on it.

As long as they get all the devices working, and drivers are one of linux's weaknesses (USB might be interesting), plus the latest GCC, then the rest will follow.

Fascinating.

Ulixes
06-11-2004, 08:20 AM
It will be really a breakthrough.

We will have tons of programs, all kinds of software, a fast and modular (and geekish) system and, I guess, a nice proprietary interface.

With Linux we will have the power to configure and personalize the system in every detail.

Now, even if the NHS deal goes bad, the switching to Linux is real, I have heard many rumors even from Psion workers. It's not a last minute decision, they started working on it more than a year ago and I think they will be ready at the end of this summer.

This move would at last justify their retirement from the Symbian project. Symbian OS simply drifted away and Psion chose not to control its direction; with Linux now they will have a fresh start and more freedom of developement using at the same time an appealing name like Linux.

By the way, don't you think that they are regretting their decision to close down their PDA production?
Probably they expected that a wild competition would take their place shortly, but today we all know that there is STILL a great void where Psion's Large Screen&Keyboard PDAs used to be. Someone at PT must know that there still this void between full-sized notebooks and Palm-like PDAs, and Potter with his unique know-how can fill it.

Ulixes
08-10-2004, 11:23 AM
Just a nice summer update that supports the rumors so far:


http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117287,00.asp


[At the LinuxWorld Expo]
Also on display were ruggedized "prosumer" notebooks from Psion.

Instead of running Windows CE, these Teklogix devices were running Linux.

But you can't buy them yet; Psion is just testing to see how well it runs, says Ref Jezierski, director of mobile computing.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/20040803/tc_zd/132742&e=1



Psion Teklogix Inc. of Mississauga, Ontario, showed a version of its XScale-powered Netbook Pro, handheld computer running Linux instead of its usual WindowsCE OS.

Raf Jezierski, vice president of business development at Psion, called the demonstration variously an "alpha release" and a "research project."

The demonstration showed the small pen-and-keyboard device connected to the Internet via a wireless card.


:D