OT: got Asus A716, waiting for cf que 1620 [Archive]

jwc810

06-04-2004, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by aagps
Thanks for sharing.

Once you get set up, could you tell me:

1) How does the resolution of the ASUS running the QUE application look? Are they using 320 x 240 or 640 x 480? If it is 320 x 240, then the iQue 3600 would still have an edge.

2) Can you run the QUE application without the CF1620 installed? I'm not sure I want to go around all day with the CF1620 in the slot, but might want to access the maps.

3) How much did it all cost?

Thanks again!

This is my opnion:
Can you tell which unit has higher resolution in the picture I attached?
I am living in sunny southern California and I can barely read the screen on que while I am driving, most of the time I am pending on the voice promt.

Que software are the same on both Pocket PC and Palm platform, I think you can run the que map without GPS turn on just like the Taiwan map Asus bundle with. According to the manual of cf que the Pocket PC version seems has more features than que 3600.

I'll post some pictures of cf que attach to A716 when I receive it next monday so you'll get the idea how it looks.

A friend of mine order 2 A716 and send one to me, I havn't pay him yet but he only ask for $350, and cf que costs me $206.

jwc810

06-04-2004, 01:08 AM

here, forgot to attach the picture:

jwc810

06-04-2004, 03:45 AM

I had to lower the brightness on A716 and que 3600 set to max so they can look the same:

jwc810

06-04-2004, 03:53 AM

and I really like swapable battery in case the battery dies I don't have to send the whole unit back:

JMckie

06-04-2004, 07:47 AM

jwc810, I am following this thread with great interest. Thanks for what looks like a very extensive review. Can I make a suggestion though?

It is possible that you found nothing to dislike about the Asus/cfQue. However if you did, you should comment on the negatives as well as the positives. Otherwise it becomes an advertisement and not a review.

jwc810

06-04-2004, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by JMckie
jwc810, I am following this thread with great interest. Thanks for what looks like a very extensive review. Can I make a suggestion though?

It is possible that you found nothing to dislike about the Asus/cfQue. However if you did, you should comment on the negatives as well as the positives. Otherwise it becomes an advertisement and not a review.

que 3600 was my first PDA, A716 is my first Pocket PC PDA and I learn something new everyday so I am over exciting, can't wait for cf que to be plug in.

My only complaint so far is I have to get use to the brighter screen. there are other topcis talking about stay with Palm OS or go for Pocket PC, in my opnion it's all about the package not OS.

If Paml is primary use for store contacts and appointments then cell phone can do better job, if I am driving and going to make a call I'll look for phone number on my cell phone and click dial, I won't first look for numbers on my PDA and dial on the cell phone.

Rockbeast

06-07-2004, 09:47 PM

So...it's monday...we're waiting for a review of the CF iQue for PPC...come on...don't make us beg!;)

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by Rockbeast
So...it's monday...we're waiting for a review of the CF iQue for PPC...come on...don't make us beg!;)

It's here, and it's fun, I was acctually busy playing video conffrence with my friend on PDA, it's free software from Microsoft : http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/

ok, here is the picture of cf que and que 3600, both unit turn on GPS at the same time, cf que lock my position within I think 10 seconds while que 3600 still trying to lock my position:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:35 AM

I use same SD card for A716, there is no need to install base map cf que found the base map installed on the SD card for my que 3600, but I do need to install detail maps because there is a new unlock code.

City select software for cf que can be install for both cf que and que 3600.

each button can be assign for 2 functions, hit it once or held the button.

400 MHz processor does help map draw speed, everything is twice as fast as it was on que 3600 with my same sadrisk SD card.

Picture 1: at night mode the background also switch to black.

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:38 AM

Picture 2:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:43 AM

Picture 3: You can customize Route Prefenrence:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:44 AM

Picture 4: Customize Route Preference:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:47 AM

Picture 5: All POIs are in picture icons

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:57 AM

Picture 6: Setup buttons

mavic-zap

06-08-2004, 02:10 AM

This is great, keep the info coming… please.

What are the avoidance settings like? Can you avoid certain roads or areas, and if so how do you do it.

Thanks for the pics, its good to get feedback from a user rather than selected highlights from a sales brochure.

Bokkie

06-08-2004, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by jwc810
It's here, and it's fun, I was acctually busy playing video conffrence with my friend on PDA, it's free software from Microsoft : http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/

ok, here is the picture of cf que and que 3600, both unit turn on GPS at the same time, cf que lock my position within I think 10 seconds while que 3600 still trying to lock my position:

What's with the white things on the picture. It's reminiscent of the stars placed over the nipples of women in sleazy magazines - not that I know anything about this of course?:D

What are you trying to hide on that picture?

Bokkie

06-08-2004, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
This is great, keep the info coming… please.

What are the avoidance settings like? Can you avoid certain roads or areas, and if so how do you do it.

Thanks for the pics, its good to get feedback from a user rather than selected highlights from a sales brochure.

I have to admit, this looks a pretty awesome piece of kit. This gets me thinking about Garmin and what they have in mind for the future? I sure wish they would tell us what direction they are going in. It's when I see products like this that I get a bit anxious about the future of the iQue and its siblings - if any?

NS1007

06-08-2004, 03:36 AM

Bokkie, I like this very much too. But..

I've just finished an intensive mountain navigation weekend with a group of mountain climbers. They showed my how Garmin handles navigation in mountains and how it is to be used in different climates. There is no other option, period.

The things we see here on thís Pda are all there on the GPSmap60CS and that one has an extreme outdoor robustness.

so: Garmin DOES have the technology and it's working already perfectly. It's up to Garmin to put it (or a part of it) in a new iQue v.2.

BTW I took my iQ3600 with me on the slopes and it worked like a charme. At night even with the lowest light it's screen looks like a torch, it should have a dark blue or dark red feature. And I was navigating on Fuwagi of course which is a super feature.

I had my Aquapack with me, but I didn't need it. But I DID need the Gilssons all the time on my bagpack with a large metal clip, I only missed twice the satellite signal in the dense forest. You can take you iQue with you as long you keep an eye on her and avoid extreme wheater and climate (no everest or pole condition or rainforests).

NS

jwc810

06-08-2004, 03:41 AM

jwc810

06-08-2004, 03:55 AM

Microsoft Voice Command for PPC is going to be VERY good with que software:

http://microsoft.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=75&catalog=30&productType=2&platformId=2&productId=90635

JMckie

06-08-2004, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Bokkie
What's with the white things on the picture. It's reminiscent of the stars placed over the nipples of women in sleazy magazines - not that I know anything about this of course?:D

What are you trying to hide on that picture?

He is trying to hide his location.

If they bothered to cover the nipples, then the magazine can't be that sleazy.

Voice command is an enticing idea for in-car navigation. However, the navigation software will have to be written to support it.

I've tried Voice Command. Let's put aside the issue of sketchy speech recognition and pretend it understands perfectly. You can use it to launch programs but with the exception of the PIM applications (datebook, addressbook) you can't control what goes in once you're inside the app. Also, how will it work while mounted on a noise car with the mic two feet away from you?

Rockbeast

06-08-2004, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
... Also, how will it work while mounted on a noise car with the mic two feet away from you? Subdermal access node technology will be assimilated...uh, implanted in the user, with sensor array to collect vocal chord vibrations...

I've been watching too much Star Trek haven't I?;)

I gotta say this looks nice. I'd like to see the A730 work with the CF iQue too...thanks for the review...and keep it coming!

JMckie

06-08-2004, 08:14 AM

Star Trek anticipated the use of handheld computers back in the 60s. Remember those female yeomen in the micromini skirts? They would sometimes go to Captain Kirk and ask him to (presumably) sign on a handheld-type device. (The camera angle makes it difficult to see what OS it was running.)

Their "starfleet logo" communicators introduced in TNG they wear on their uniforms is a another technology that I think will happen. "Dialing" the cellphone will soon be a laughably obsolete concept. Just tap it and call yout the person's name!

Bokkie

06-08-2004, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
Star Trek anticipated the use of handheld computers back in the 60s. Remember those female yeomen in the micromini skirts? They would sometimes go to Captain Kirk and ask him to (presumably) sign on a handheld-type device. (The camera angle makes it difficult to see what OS it was running.)

Their "starfleet logo" communicators introduced in TNG they wear on their uniforms is a another technology that I think will happen. "Dialing" the cellphone will soon be a laughably obsolete concept. Just tap it and call yout the person's name!

Sounds good! "Seven Of Nine, get in here will ya!"

JMckie

06-08-2004, 08:32 AM

She can assimilate me anytime.

apersson850

06-08-2004, 09:09 AM

So we will eventuall come back to the old days, when the ordinary telephone system wasn't automatic. If you called someone, who was known by the operator, it was enough to ask for "Charlie on the hill behind the church". You didn't need to know that his number was 198.

Bokkie

06-08-2004, 10:47 AM

What's the buzz on the application development with it?

I suppose it will use the PPC runtime that .Net supports, but is there a Garmin SDK to go with it? On it's own, it's use is perhaps limted, but with it, then there has to be a big wow factor.

jwc810

06-08-2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Rockbeast
I'd like to see the A730 work with the CF iQue too...

Me too! we'll see A730 review from you right? :)

Rockbeast

06-08-2004, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
Me too! we'll see A730 review from you right? :) Boy I'd love that! :D :) :confused: Anybody want to buy it for me when it comes out?;)

placido

06-08-2004, 04:11 PM

Great review! Thanks.

400MHZ process is twice as fast as Ique. I heard that the newest Intel process that already appear in the latest PDA (Dell) with PPC is 625 MHz. It needs that speed with bult-in voice command.

I know which GSP/PDA I will buy next.

jwc810

06-08-2004, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by aagps
2) Can you run the QUE application without the CF1620 installed? I'm not sure I want to go around all day with the CF1620 in the slot, but might want to access the maps.

Yes you can run que application without CF 1620 install as long as you don't install maps into cf que modual.

jwc810

06-08-2004, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
This is great, keep the info coming?please.

What are the avoidance settings like? Can you avoid certain roads or areas, and if so how do you do it.

Thanks for the pics, its good to get feedback from a user rather than selected highlights from a sales brochure.

Yes you click " Add roads" to avoid.

jwc810

06-08-2004, 08:56 PM

or select an area to avoid:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 09:02 PM

You can check "Ask me my preference" so each time it'll prompt for preferece:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 09:04 PM

I like this new feature because sometimes I want to by shortcuts, or you can check "don't ask me again"

jwc810

06-08-2004, 09:11 PM

text size can be customize on both mapping and routing:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 09:11 PM

picture 2:

jwc810

06-08-2004, 10:04 PM

This Wi-Fi Scanner software is so cool, it found Access point in a Radar image:

Moose Man

06-09-2004, 12:02 AM

Well since I don't see where anyone has asked: what's the battery life while GPSing?

Keep the info coming - I'm enjoying the pics and the review.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Moose Man
Well since I don't see where anyone has asked: what's the battery life while GPSing?

Keep the info coming - I'm enjoying the pics and the review.

That'll be my next test but it'll take time, I am plan to do the following:

Test 1: set brightness to the lowerest on A716 so it can match que 3600.

Test 2: set brightness to max on both unit.

Test 3: Turn on GPS and Wi-Fi at the sametime on A716.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by jwc810
That'll be my next test but it'll take time, I am plan to do the following:

Test 1: set brightness to the lowerest on A716 so it can match que 3600.

Test 2: set brightness to max on both unit.

Test 3: Turn on GPS and Wi-Fi at the sametime on A716.

Test 4: set brightniess to the lowest on both unit.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 12:49 AM

forgot test 5: Buy 3000 mAh battery and re-do the test.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:20 AM

yes I am indoor you are on my bed! what's wrong with you Betty? it's been 5 minutes! the guy next to you only took 10 seconds.

carshooter

06-09-2004, 02:36 AM

Hi jwc810,

Great thread! Thanks for posting your impressions. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

1. Does the lower resolution of the ASUS bother you at all (relating to GPS use only).

2. Is the gps software for the PPC identical to the software found on the ique3600?

Thanks again!

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:41 AM

Betty, it's been 20 minutes now, if you don't like my bed I am sending you to ebay:

apersson850

06-09-2004, 02:44 AM

Looking at the screen pictures, it seems that the satellite almanac is somewhat outdated in the iQue. The #08 satellite isn't even searched for, and that is the one that makes the difference, in this particular case.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by carshooter
Hi jwc810,

Great thread! Thanks for posting your impressions. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

1. Does the lower resolution of the ASUS bother you at all (relating to GPS use only).

2. Is the gps software for the PPC identical to the software found on the ique3600?

Thanks again!

1: not at all, when I am using GPS the screen is much brighter and now I can read it. You can't tell it's got lower resolution, I thought que 3600 is 1x1 pixel display at day time.

2: Que software are the same but with much more features, map software are the same, I don't even need to install base map, I am using same SD card was on the que 3600, and when I plug into A716 the Que soft found the base map.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by apersson850
Looking at the screen pictures, it seems that the satellite almanac is somewhat outdated in the iQue. The #08 satellite isn't even searched for, and that is the one that makes the difference, in this particular case.

I am no idea, how do you fix it? thanks.

apersson850

06-09-2004, 02:50 AM

Since you obviously don't have any very good reception where you are, it may be difficult.
Normally, it fixes itself, by downloading an updated almanac from one of the satellites that can be received. Sometimes it can be better if you set it to New Location - Automatic. You could always try, since it seems that you aren't successful now anyway.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:53 AM

it's now been 40 minutes, I am trying "new location" now and let's see what happens.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by apersson850
Since you obviously don't have any very good reception where you are, it may be difficult.
Normally, it fixes itself, by downloading an updated almanac from one of the satellites that can be received. Sometimes it can be better if you set it to New Location - Automatic. You could always try, since it seems that you aren't successful now anyway.

But I never got 3D location with que 3600 inside my room and I get 3D location with cf que 1620, do you know why?

Bokkie

06-09-2004, 02:55 AM

Update me on something:

Does it use the same CS maps that we have on the iQue? You mentioned the basemap was detected, but is that the same for the detailed maps?

If you can't use the same detailed CS maps, what do you use? And how do they compare to CS for content?

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Bokkie
Update me on something:

Does it use the same CS maps that we have on the iQue? You mentioned the basemap was detected, but is that the same for the detailed maps?

If you can't use the same detailed CS maps, what do you use? And how do they compare to CS for content?

the city select software allow me to choose if I want to install detail maps into cf que or que 3600.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by apersson850
Since you obviously don't have any very good reception where you are, it may be difficult.
Normally, it fixes itself, by downloading an updated almanac from one of the satellites that can be received. Sometimes it can be better if you set it to New Location - Automatic. You could always try, since it seems that you aren't successful now anyway.

I tried "automatic", no lock. I am now trying "new location" use map.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 03:01 AM

it's too late, I am going to sleep, I'll try it tomorrow and let you guys know more.

Bokkie

06-09-2004, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by jwc810
it's too late, I am going to sleep, I'll try it tomorrow and let you guys know more.

Shake, shake, wake up, man! Kick! Slap! Wake up, will ya!

aagps

06-09-2004, 06:36 AM

There is something very peculiar with the iQue in these screen shots. In the first pic, the ASUS has locked, the time shown is accurate 12:16:13. The iQue shows 12:15:01. I can't imagine how long an iQue would have to be unused to get it a minute off in time. However, the satelites (those I can see anyway) seem to be aligned with those shown in the ASUS (presumed accurate).

In the second picture both units show 12:36:58, and yet the satelites in the iQue are now in different positions than the ASUS. Something seems wrong.

mavic-zap

06-09-2004, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by aagps
There is something very peculiar with the iQue in these screen shots. In the first pic, the ASUS has locked, the time shown is accurate 12:16:13. The iQue shows 12:15:01. I can't imagine how long an iQue would have to be unused to get it a minute off in time. However, the satelites (those I can see anyway) seem to be aligned with those shown in the ASUS (presumed accurate).

In the second picture both units show 12:36:58, and yet the satelites in the iQue are now in different positions than the ASUS. Something seems wrong. Jwc810 first post with the two side by side (06/08 @ 7:03am) shows the time only seconds apart and all the sats line up reasonably well, at this point the iQue is not locked on. After this some suggestions where posted to jwc810 to adjust location, refresh almanac etc.
His next post with the two side by side (06/09 @ 8:20am) is where the time is way off, but this may be because of him following some of the forum posts and playing around with the iQue settings. Also in this pic the Asus has rotated its sky view with north down, while the 3600 has north up, but you can’t see all the sats because the iQue has a nag screen up.

The Last post (06/09 @ 8:41am) shows correct time but the orientation of the sky is still out, so he has either got a lock by taking the 3600 outside or he set the time manually. If you follow the screen orientations most of the sats line up, only a few are not there, but that’s probably almanac data difference as the Asus has a lock but the 3600 does not.

All in all I think the main point is the cf Que seems a lot better than his internal antenna in the 3600, but he may have a unit with under performing antenna, my iQue can get a lock in some rooms of the house if close to a window; but not in 10 seconds!!:eek:

Bring on the A730, I can't wait:)

paqtoque

06-09-2004, 07:52 AM

Thanks for the info and in particular also the screenshots.

My wife has a Compaq iPaq and a NavMan and is EXTREMELY unhappy with it, and I admit it's a piece of SH.. Tech Support comes back with generalities like it can take a long time to acquire position for the first time ....

Anyway the cf que 1620 seems to be THE thing to get for the PPC!!

I have to admit, I usually get very good locks with the iQue, and pretty quick too, in particular when using the gilsson (also inside the garage, which still amazes me, how the heck does that work ...???), so that is not really the issue. But I love the additional cuztomizability of the software ....

I might be quetopaq soon, when the iPaq comes out with 480x640 resloution ... lol, that would be my third switch of platform. Long live the competition between Palm and PPC!!!

Bokkie

06-09-2004, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
Bring on the A730, I can't wait:)

What is the fundamental difference between them? I guess memory is possibly one, but screen res as well?

JMckie

06-09-2004, 09:26 AM

Anyone notice the toolbar in the grafitti area of the iQue in this picture?

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=198913

These look more rounded I have completely different icons (see attached). Is there a revision I don't know about?

apersson850

06-09-2004, 09:49 AM

I think the speed, considering the altitude, is more impressive on this screenshot.

apersson850

06-09-2004, 09:50 AM

There was some thread about top speeds a while ago, I think, but I can't find it now, so I'll let this sample from QueTrip come in here instead.

By the way, the trick in the previous post is of course in that it's only a 2D solution, if someone didn't understand that.

JMckie

06-09-2004, 09:56 AM

There are no 7500m peaks near Basel that I know about. So you must have been on a plane. What gives?

Also Anders, what do you make of the toolbar in the side-by side picture?

jrose1g

06-09-2004, 10:11 AM

Anyone notice the toolbar in the grafitti area of the iQue in this picture?

I think he is using one of the skins from Velo(?).

jrose1g

06-09-2004, 10:15 AM

This (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=197149) is the one that stumped me. Where did that Windows logo come from on the iQue?

JMckie

06-09-2004, 10:19 AM

jrose, the pic your posted looks like ZLauncher to me. (I always thought that of all the wonderful backgrounds available, the last thing I'd want is to recreate the Windows desktop but to each his own I guess)

AFAIK, the skins do not affect the toolbar in the grafitti area.

jwc810

06-09-2004, 12:18 PM

carshooter

06-09-2004, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
1: not at all, when I am using GPS the screen is much brighter and now I can read it. You can't tell it's got lower resolution, I thought que 3600 is 1x1 pixel display at day time.

2: Que software are the same but with much more features, map software are the same, I don't even need to install base map, I am using same SD card was on the que 3600, and when I plug into A716 the Que soft found the base map.

Great, thank you! This thread is super informative.

Cheers!

jwc810

06-09-2004, 12:29 PM

Bokkie

06-09-2004, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Rockbeast
I gotta say this looks nice. I'd like to see the A730 work with the CF iQue too...thanks for the review...and keep it coming!

Gulp! This stuff looks absolutely spot-on and if it rocks as good as the previews say it should, then I wonder about something...

...I guess we'll be registering for another newsgroup? Do we get to keep our post counts?

;)

carshooter

06-09-2004, 01:17 PM

Does anyone know if the cf ique (both hardware and software) with a laptop? I figure you'd get a pcmcia cf adapter for the hardware, but I'm wondering if the software would be supported. It would be a nice bonus...

jwc810

06-09-2004, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by apersson850
Since you obviously don't have any very good reception where you are, it may be difficult.
Normally, it fixes itself, by downloading an updated almanac from one of the satellites that can be received. Sometimes it can be better if you set it to New Location - Automatic. You could always try, since it seems that you aren't successful now anyway.

How did almanac got outdated? aren't GPS receiveing live signals from sattelelite? thanks.

The Swede

06-09-2004, 01:34 PM

Is it possible to make phone calls with the ASUS? Or does it just contain a SIM for the GPRS and GSM data connection?

jwc810

06-09-2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by The Swede
Is it possible to make phone calls with the ASUS? Or does it just contain a SIM for the GPRS and GSM data connection?

If you are in a Wi-Fi HotSpot you can use Microsoft Portrait software to make Voice or Video confference with other PDAs or any desktops:

http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/

JMckie

06-09-2004, 01:41 PM

Is it possible to make phone calls with the ASUS? Or does it just contain a SIM for the GPRS and GSM data connection?

Originally posted by jwc810
If you are in a Wi-Fi HotSpot you can use Microsoft Portrait software to make Voice or Video confference with other PDAs or any desktops:

http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/

So I guess the answer is "No" then.

Curious Cat

06-09-2004, 08:05 PM

The Asus A716 does seem to offer some advantages. Let’s not forget that the iQue has some important advantages over the Asus also:

1. The iQue is a Palm and not a PPC, which may or not be your preferred platform. Either way, it’s important to point this out. There are many here who would not want to use a PPC or have to buy new applications to replace the ones that run on Palm that we are comfortable using.

2. The Asus is considerably larger and heavier then the iQue esp., when adding the cf que 1620 to allow it to function as a GPS device. Together the Asus and cf que weigh over ½ a pound or 8.4 oz. This is 62% more then the iQue which is a little over ¼ a pound or 5.2 oz. The Asus is not something I’d want to slip in my pocket.

3. Even though the Asus is the larger device, the screen is actually smaller then the iQue’s screen.

4. According to the review at CNET, “Heavy and bulky; no Hold button; screen is barely visible in sunlight.” Barely visible in sunlight sounds a far cry from the 5 times brighter suggested in this thread. Also mentioned-Cannot use both WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time.

5. No ability to add an external antenna. There are many of us who could not function without this.

6. The iQue is fully integrated, not an add-on product. This allows you the ability to route directly from the address book, link appointments, etc.

7. The iQue has available mounts with built in speakers that allow you to hear the voice commands while driving.

8. All future enhancements (releases) are tested on the whole package, not just the GPS device.

9. Last but not least; what do you do when something goes wrong and Garmin says its the Asus and Asus says its Garmin and neither one fully understands the other’s product?

JMckie

06-09-2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
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5. No ability to add an external antenna. There are many of us who could not function without this.

That one is the kicker. The way I've got my iQue mounted in the car, the internal antenna has no chance of getting a good signal.

mavic-zap

06-09-2004, 09:16 PM

CC; yes, I agree that on size and layout alone I would not swap my iQue for the A716 Asus.
The A730 Asus however is supposed to be slightly smaller than the 3600 but has a screen size that is the same or very close and is also 640x480 and the OS at least supports landscape mode. (not to mention all the other goodies it has)

The lack of external antenna support on the cf 1620 is another point I am worried about, the only solution I can think of for this is to build or buy re-radiating antennas, possibly using the Gilsson I own already.

The screen brightness seems to be a none issue looking at jwc810 pics, it just goes to show that what you read in hardware reviews needs some differential correction.
I just hope the A730 is as good as the A716

The integration could be a show stopper, until jwc810 can give some feedback on how this works I’m going to be optimistic on this front.
Currently the iQue is good, but I would like some improvements in how the waypoints are stored in with all other addresses. I know you can categorise address book entries, but once you have done so you can only view that waypoint from two screens, either the exact category it is listed under, or the “all” category. It would be much better IMO to save waypoints in a similar fashion to POI’s.
Maybe the Asus /cf1620 improves this function, then again maybe it completely gets it wrong.

Jwc810 – any input on this?

The car mount issue can probably be addressed in a few ways, some will be less than the iQue solution, and some could be equal or better.

As for compatibility of the cf 1620 with whatever PDA you use, we will just have to hope Garmin are on the ball with firmware updates to take account of PDA/OS changes. It will be Garmin’s responsibility to make their accessories work with as many PPC PDA’s as possible, and keep it working.

Jwc810 thanks for all you have shown us so far, but we are still hungry…..

Mick

Curious Cat

06-09-2004, 10:10 PM

mavic-zap (Mick), I agree. The A730 does seem to be better in many ways. If I were going to go the PPC route, it would be worth waiting for, just reading the specs, it’s far exceeds the A716.

OWG

06-09-2004, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by carshooter
Does anyone know if the cf ique (both hardware and software) with a laptop? I figure you'd get a pcmcia cf adapter for the hardware, but I'm wondering if the software would be supported. It would be a nice bonus...

Why? Use the GPS 18 (http://www.garmin.com/products/gps18/) .

BTW Jwc810, thanks for the great info, keep it coming!

jwc810

06-09-2004, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat

7. The iQue has available mounts with built in speakers that allow you to hear the voice commands while driving.

Excuse me?

jwc810

06-09-2004, 11:30 PM

Audio:

whk

06-10-2004, 12:12 AM

I think Curious Cat is talking about hardware, the Auto navigation kit.

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by whk
I think Curious Cat is talking about hardware, the Auto navigation kit.

cf que come with a auto navigation kit just like the one for que 3600, haven't use it yet.

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:14 AM

has anyone seen que map in landscape mode:

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:18 AM

maybe useless for map but works good on browser:

OWG

06-10-2004, 12:19 AM

That's sweet! How does the Auto mount work? is it from Asus?

I looked on the Garmin site and it says there are no accessories for the CF que

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:21 AM

picture 2:

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by OWG
That's sweet! How does the Auto mount work? is it from Asus?

it's from garmin, it came with the package of cf que, bean bag, universal auto mount, but I never use it, I still like my Gomadic cigarett lighter mount better.

OWG

06-10-2004, 12:24 AM

Right...see it on there now....do you have a pic of that? Is there a speaker like on the iQue? What about charging?

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by OWG
Right...see it on there now....do you have a pic of that? Is there a speaker like on the iQue? What about charging?

I'll have to go look for the box, I'll take a picture of it when I find it.

OWG

06-10-2004, 12:28 AM

Thanks...sorry for all the questions. I am off to bed now, so no rush. Thanks again for all the info! Above and beyond!

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by whk
I think Curious Cat is talking about hardware, the Auto navigation kit.

then it's not a built it speaker.

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:57 AM

640X480 mode 1:

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:59 AM

640X480 2:

rwsmith123

06-10-2004, 12:59 AM

So what are you running to get the different icons in the toolbar in the iQue?

jwc810

06-10-2004, 01:00 AM

virtual display software:

jwc810

06-10-2004, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by jrose1g
I think he is using one of the skins from Velo(?).

Yes, I am using Velo skin.

jwc810

06-10-2004, 01:06 AM

now see 800X600 mode:

jwc810

06-10-2004, 01:23 AM

I never able to set map detail level to max on que 3600 with my SadRisk 512 MB card, now I can do it on A716, 0.8 mile detail map on this image took 7 seconds to load, on que 3600 0.5 detail map takes forever:

mavic-zap

06-10-2004, 03:51 AM

Jwc810, I am starting to understand your gradual posts, there seems to be so many options on the Asus/cf Que that it will take weeks to play with them all and see how they work.

Does the address book function on the Asus act as the iQue does? i.e. can you attach location info and then select it as a route destination, or is there a separate database that holds you waypoints.

I’m green with envy
:)

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 06:33 AM

How about some pictures of the universal PDA mount? Does it supply power to the PDA or do you need to run a separate wire to it? Without having an external antenna, I imagine you can’t mount the PDA too close to your ear. Does the mount have a speaker built in so you can hear the voice prompts over the car noises or with the stereo playing?

Also, does your Gomadic mount have a speaker built in?

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 06:41 AM

JMckie

06-10-2004, 06:56 AM

The screenshots are nice but...

For those interested in a comprehensive set of screenshots for the cfQue, you can get your fill with Garmin's cfQue user guide

http://www.garmin.com/manuals/cfQue1620_ApplicationsGuide.pdf

Apparently (p. 26) it keeps a list of waypoints that is different from your contacts. It is possible though to add the waypoint to contacts. I wonder if this improves map redraw peformance when there are a lot of waypoints.

Towards the end there is also a picture of the included mount.

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 07:49 AM

It does look a slick unit. Would it benefit from a Gilsson antenna if fitting one is possible to begin with?

Is there an SDK for it?

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Bokkie
CC, welcome back. Where have you been? There has been a noticeable absence of cat activity. :)

Well I did get a little bored, nothing new going on. No new Release out, all the major problems already solved and the only real action seemed to be in the programming area, which I fully support but I don’t have any expertise in that area. Taking a break, I decided to communicate with my source at Garmin to try to get a glimpse of what’s coming down the road. You may remember that I have had some limited access every once in a while to someone who has given me some accurate information that I have shared here previously. I didn’t learn a whole lot. It seems like it will be a while until we see Release 4, maybe end of the summer. It should incorporate many of the enhancements such as those discussed in this thread with regards to routing with the cf que. Interestingly, there is a new Palm based GPS on the drawing board that sounds like it will really blow the iQue away. Of course they are not interested in touting it now, as they want to sell what they can offer now.

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
.....
Apparently (p. 26) it keeps a list of waypoints that is different from your contacts. It is possible though to add the waypoint to contacts.

What about the other way around? For instance; say someone beams me a contact with name and address. With the iQue I can quickly find and set it’s location and from that point on I can route to it with one click. How would you do this with the cf que? In other words, what steps are necessary to route to an address from the Address Book with the cf que? Do I have to copy and paste each part of the address?

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by jwc810
I never able to set map detail level to max on que 3600 with my SadRisk 512 MB card, now I can do it on A716, 0.8 mile detail map on this image took 7 seconds to load, on que 3600 0.5 detail map takes forever:

I can do this on my iQue and it takes only about 1 second. This is of course with a Panasonic SC card.

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
CC; yes, I agree that on size and layout alone I would not swap my iQue for the A716 Asus.
...........
The integration could be a show stopper, until jwc810 can give some feedback on how this works I’m going to be optimistic on this front.
.....
As for compatibility of the cf 1620 with whatever PDA you use, we will just have to hope Garmin are on the ball with firmware updates to take account of PDA/OS changes. It will be Garmin’s responsibility to make their accessories work with as many PPC PDA’s as possible, and keep it working.
...

Mick

Mick,
You are probably right that Garmin would do whatever it could to support the cf que. Both the cf que and the Asus are cutting edge technologies and with that goes cutting edge problems. Go back to August of 03 in this forum to see what I’m talking about with regards to unexpected problems with new products. What I would worry about is the likelihood of this scenario or something similar: You have a problem that occurs every time you are navigating, for instance, when you edit the vias it crashes. So you call Garmin and they tell you to RMA the cf que. When they get it, they say it functions fine and they can find no problem and suggest that the problem may be with your PDA. Now you call Asus and get an RMA to them. They get the unit back and say that it is functioning exactly as it should, no problems. Now what do you do? This could easily happen immediately or after an update to either the PDA or the cf que as Gramin esp., does tend to tinker with it’s products after releasing it, not to mention updates to the mapping programs. I’m not saying this would happen, but if it did, you would now own $1000 dollars worth of useless equipment with no recourse.

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Well I did get a little bored, nothing new going on.... You may remember that I have had some limited access every once in a while to someone who has given me some accurate information that I have shared here previously. I didn’t learn a whole lot. It seems like it will be a while until we see Release 4, maybe end of the summer. It should incorporate many of the enhancements such as those discussed in this thread with regards to routing with the cf que...Interestingly, there is a new Palm based GPS on the drawing board

1. Being bored is no excuse.

2. I think Anders more or less suggested we'll see R4 in latter part of the year.

3. A new Palm OS on the drawng board. That would be a commitment to Cobalt as to mark time on OS 5 is not a good move.

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
The screenshots are nice but...

For those interested in a comprehensive set of screenshots for the cfQue, you can get your fill with Garmin's cfQue user guide

....

Towards the end there is also a picture of the included mount.

Thanks for the links. As I suspected the universal mount does not supply power nor does it contain a speaker to hear the voice prompts clearly. All it does is hold your PDA. This would be a severe detriment to using the product primarily as an automobile navigation system IMO.

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 09:06 AM

Do the apps sit in the cfQue or are they installed in PPC form on the Asus via a CD and hotsync?

If that's the case, is the cfQue then just a pure receiver or does it add value as it were to the Asus beyond just being a GPS receiver?

Not wanting to thrash the question I've already asked recently, but does it support an external connection for a Gillson for example?

If it does not, is it because the cfQue has a superior antenna to all others. It seems it does not need/use an external connection, but is the antenna a bit patchy like the patch antennas or is it one of those super-quadra-fast-lock-filiar-magically-fast-powered-by-a-wizard antennas?

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Bokkie
...
3. A new Palm OS on the drawng board. That would be a commitment to Cobalt as to mark time on OS 5 is not a good move.

Yes definitely Palm 6 (Cobalt) and a removable long lasting battery, SDIO and supposedly a much better built in antenna. I'm not sure how another antenna that is no bigger will be much better but that is what I was told. I don't have Jonas's knowledge of antennae but maybe there are other designs that have a similar form function that have better gain. I'm just glad they are still commited to a iQue like device.

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Yes definitely Palm 6 (Cobalt) and a removable long lasting battery, SDIO and supposedly a much better built in antenna. I'm not sure how another antenna that is no bigger will be much better but that is what I was told. I don't have Jonas's knowledge of antennae but maybe there are other designs that have a similar form function that have better gain. I'm just glad they are still commited to a iQue like device.

It would be interesting to see what development tools they use. The current tools for Cobalt are apparently under beta testing but if what they have in mind is still in the hardware stage then I reckon by the time they are ready to port any apps, those issues would have been resolved. I wonder how long it took them to convert the Que apps to run on the PPC. I think the development time would have been very quick indeed. Still, interesting times ahead of us.

jonasolof

06-10-2004, 11:21 AM

I posted some critical comments on the Que from scigeosatnav earlier. The author Robinson something had two main objections: No provision for external antenna and a a contact database which is difficult to manage if you want locations included.

Unless you can get NMEA out there is no way to have an objective evaluation of antenna perfromance with the PC version of Skyview.

I haven't heard any independent views to the effect that the Que antenna is super.

Jonas/Zanzibar

alriclam

06-10-2004, 12:10 PM

This is off topic, but am I the only one who thinks that wifi radar screen is the neatest thing ever? Now I'm soooo jealous.

JMckie

06-10-2004, 12:21 PM

The software is called Wififofum.

http://www.wififofum.org/

Also check out the gallery page for pictures like this:

http://memphistw.org/wififofum/wififofumgallery/MrL.jpg

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
I can do this on my iQue and it takes only about 1 second. This is of course with a Panasonic SC card.

You havn't see anything yet, try your Panasonic on A716

alriclam

06-10-2004, 12:33 PM

Thanks! Now the only question is is there software like this out there for the PC (considering that my iQue doesn't have Wifi.....) A search of download.com didnt turn up anything....

Thanks for keeping us updated!

Originally posted by JMckie
The software is called Wififofum.

http://www.wififofum.org/

Also check out the gallery page for pictures like this:

http://memphistw.org/wififofum/wififofumgallery/MrL.jpg

jwc810

06-10-2004, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by JMckie
The software is called Wififofum.

http://www.wififofum.org/

Also check out the gallery page for pictures like this:

http://memphistw.org/wififofum/wififofumgallery/MrL.jpg

yes this is one I download, yesterday when I am at work and my friend at Sacramento sent me a messege on MSN he said he is outside of a resteraunt.

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by jonasolof
I posted some critical comments on the Que from scigeosatnav earlier. The author Robinson something had two main objections: No provision for external antenna and a a contact database which is difficult to manage if you want locations included.

Unless you can get NMEA out there is no way to have an objective evaluation of antenna perfromance with the PC version of Skyview.

I haven't heard any independent views to the effect that the Que antenna is super.

Jonas/Zanzibar

Thanks for the information. Here is a copy of the review by the Robinson that Jonas refers too. I didn't relealize that there was no WAAS for the cf que:

Further detail that may be helpful.

Strengths
The software seems to be generally well designed, the displays are fairly
easy to use, and the software installs and runs without any major problems.
The PC card GPS receiver is sensitive, lightweight, attractively packaged
and appears to be reasonably durable. It is about the size of a matchbook.
The map display is clean, uncluttered and occupies most of the PDA screen,
an important design given the small display size of the typical PDA.
The street turn displays are excellent.
Many user customizations are available including the display of 0-3 lines of
user selected data.
The trip computer is a nice touch. It displays a variety of heading,
distance, speed, and time information.
MapSource 6.1 is an excellent program/data package.

Weaknesses
The installation procedure is workable, but is quite cumbersome.
The Que software installed, but would not execute properly from CF/SD memory
as opposed to main memory. Map data can be stored in CF/SD.
The GPS receiver takes up one CF slot. Depending on one's PDA you may or may
not have another CF slot or a SD slot. The potential loss of non main memory
storage area can thus be a significant problem. The 64 MB of memory included
with the Garmin CF card can only be used for Garmin map data. It would be
helpful if this memory was considerably larger in size.
The antenna cannot be detached from the receiver nor is there any connection
for an external antenna. This is a very serious deficiency for automotive
usage.
The GPS receiver is not WAAS-enabled.
Windows Mobile 2003 SE, the latest Windows PDA operating system, has a
provision for easily changing the display from Portrait to Landscape
orientations. The Que 1620 software behaves properly with the display
orientation changes, but it is not possible to properly orient the patch
antenna with a PDA that is sitting on its long axis. Landscape display is
thus unusable because of the mechanical limitations of the antenna.
The major deficiency for us is that, contrary to specific assurances from
Garmin prior to purchase, the Que 1620 software does not have the iQue
3600's capability of routing from Contacts stored Lat/Long coordinates in
addition to that of street addresses.
Garmin has a bizarre and extremely cumbersome implementation of linkage to
the "Contacts" address book. The approach used by most vendors is that
Contacts appears along with the list of other location search options. In
Que 1620, it is necessary to exit from the Que software, execute Contacts,
and then press and hold on a name until a pop-up provides an option to link
back to the Que software. Needless to say this is a very awkward procedure
and one that is totally unnecessary from a programming standpoint.
Map scrolling is interrupted by touching the map. A virtual button must be
touched to resume scrolling. Most GPS software has an option to
automatically resume scrolling a short time after a map is manually
re-positioned.
The combined GPS/PDA is obviously not watertight and therefore is not a good
choice for marine or other outdoor applications.
It would be nice for Garmin to supply a tiny carrying case for the GPS since
the mounted size of the unit plus a PDA precludes usage of the typical PDA
case.

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
You havn't see anything yet, try your Panasonic on A716

I'm looking forward to seeing something about that puppy. From what I've read it has a far east slant? I have no problem with that but it makes me wonder if the far east is the preferred market initially?

I was interested in CCs comment that WAAS is not part of the cfQue's features. Is there any reason why that was left out?

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Bokkie
I'm looking forward to seeing something about that puppy.

Sorry! i was referring to the 730 not the 716. The 730 will have a serious punch. I am already a-thinkin' to meself...

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Bokkie
Sorry! i was referring to the 730 not the 716. The 730 will have a serious punch. I am already a-thinkin' to meself...

You not just thinking to yourself, you’re quoting yourself. :D

I agree about the 730. If I was going to go PPC, which I'm not, that's one nice machine. Just read the stats, it beats the 716 hands down. Did I say, read the stats...;)

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
You not just thinking to yourself, you’re quoting yourself. :D

I agree about the 730. If I was going to go PPC, which I'm not, that's one nice machine. Just read the stats, it beats the 716 hands down. Did I say, read the stats...;)

CC, I'll go where the platform takes me! I'm fortunate to get these things from work as well so the 730 will not be difficult to motivate as we are a MS shop at work and the PPC fits in. If the new iQue (wink, wink) has a date on it, I don't mind waiting. I'll probably have a 730 and the new iQue (if it's not vapourware).

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Bokkie
CC, I'll go where the platform takes me! I'm fortunate to get these things from work as well so the 730 will not be difficult to motivate as we are a MS shop at work and the PPC fits in. If the new iQue (wink, wink) has a date on it, I don't mind waiting. I'll probably have a 730 and the new iQue (if it's not vapourware).

Bokkie, congrats on the promotion. It was just a short while ago you were agonizing about buying a card reader or a new SD card and now you’re going for the newest PPC and the new iQue. :D

BTW, no it’s not vaporware, or vaporhardware, but as far as a date, I don’t think they even know.

Bokkie

06-10-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Bokkie, congrats on the promotion. It was just a short while ago you were agonizing about buying a card reader or a new SD card and now you’re going for the newest PPC and the new iQue. :D

BTW, no it’s not vaporware, or vaporhardware, but as far as a date, I don’t think they even know.

It's encouraging to know they are onto something though. Hopefully they will look over the horizon and add features to it that are standard now. A reworked iQue without much else is basically the same. If the rumours about r4 are true (supposedly later this year) then a new device does not fit snugly into the equation so that probably rules 2004 out and if the delays of the iQue were anything to go by, then possibly late 2005 would be likely?

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Bokkie
It's encouraging to know they are onto something though. Hopefully they will look over the horizon and add features to it that are standard now. A reworked iQue without much else is basically the same. If the rumours about r4 are true (supposedly later this year) then a new device does not fit snugly into the equation so that probably rules 2004 out and if the delays of the iQue were anything to go by, then possibly late 2005 would be likely?

The impression I received was that Release 4 would contain some very useful enhancements but that the next iQue or whatever they call it will be starting from a clean slate and be better then what they anticipate the competition will be doing in the meanwhile. I would say ‘05 sounds right to me also but that’s my guess, not something I was told.

JMckie

06-10-2004, 04:39 PM

I am amazed that Garmin would still want to do PDAs. I still think the right business decision for them is to concentrate on GPS receivers and mapping software - and let the specialists in PDA worry about the state of the art. Just observing the common business school notion of focusing on your core competency.

Curious Cat

06-10-2004, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by JMckie
I am amazed that Garmin would still want to do PDAs. I still think the right business decision for them is to concentrate on GPS receivers and mapping software - and let the specialists in PDA worry about the state of the art. Just observing the common business school notion of focusing on your core competency.

There are 2 schools of thought. One is to concentrate on what you do best. The other is that if you don’t expand your business you will lose business. The decision to do it or not was already made when they created the iQue and supposedly it sells very well. The question may be, can they afford to be a GPS only company with all the cell phone companies, PDA makers, etc., moving towards convergent products.

reinbeau

06-10-2004, 05:07 PM

jwc810

06-10-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by alriclam
This is off topic, but am I the only one who thinks that wifi radar screen is the neatest thing ever? Now I'm soooo jealous.

jealous? you haven't see this yet, me and my friend download and tested it today, this is called Wi-Fi phone, all free as long as you are in a hotspot, and we both agree that we have have any phone coverstation this clear.

http://www.wifive.net/

jwc810

06-10-2004, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
How about some pictures of the universal PDA mount? Does it supply power to the PDA or do you need to run a separate wire to it? Without having an external antenna, I imagine you can’t mount the PDA too close to your ear. Does the mount have a speaker built in so you can hear the voice prompts over the car noises or with the stereo playing?

Also, does your Gomadic mount have a speaker built in?

nice try! I dion't know why now speaker is a problem!
When I was using que 3600 I never though of plug in a external speaker because I can hear it well, same for A716.

My opnion, anyone of you preffered external antenna and speakers, or you never have to access internet on the go, the less bright screen on que 3600 doesn't bother you then you should stay with que 3600.

why did I switch? I really can't read the map on day time with que 3600 but I can hear it with it's inernal speaker. I don't have external antenna and was never consider getting one because the internal antenna of que 3600 works fine for me. Also I can't find a better way to connect to internet with que 3600 and with A716 I can.

You just have to see it to believe how brighter the screen is on A716.

You can try anything to discredit A716 with cf que 1620, such as size, weights....ect,. hey, A716 fits in my pocket just fine and I can lift both units with 1 finger, or get a lighter unit without built-in wireless and less capacity battery then it'll be lighter.

I have no problem operating que software on A716 and I can assign more buttons to work with que softwre, if the all same features are on que 3600 you'd probably say: WOW.

I admit I was spend more time on the features of A716 rather than que map, like others are saying you can download the manual from garmin are read it yourself.

my test if not over yet, there are still battery test to do but it's gonna take a while, I only have it less than a week and I'd say the overall package is much better for the money.

jwc810

06-10-2004, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by mavic-zap

the only solution I can think of for this is to build or buy re-radiating antennas, possibly using the Gilsson I own already.

Mick

Hi Mick,
is that possible? I don't have Gilsson antenna but you can show me how to build one I am ready to give it a try and I'll let you know if it works. thanks.

mavic-zap

06-11-2004, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by jwc810
Hi Mick,
is that possible? I don't have Gilsson antenna but you can show me how to build one I am ready to give it a try and I'll let you know if it works. thanks.

Hi,

Yes you can buy them and also there is a thread on this forum that covers some info on making one.
I think it was Jonasolof or apersson850 who showed some pic or links to home made re-rad antennas.

If you do a search on re-radiating antennas you should find it, but it was a while ago.
From what I remember it looked like a reasonably handy tech type person could make one, no major circuitry, it was just getting correct power and antenna design to maximise the signal (the receiving antenna could be Gilsson etc, only the power supply to the Gilsson and re-transmitting antenna need to be constructed).

Have you used the address book / waypoint function much?
Is it comparable to the way the iQue operates?

Thanks
Mick

jwc810

06-11-2004, 12:41 AM

Mick,
Yes I tried my address, when I tab and hold a address there is a optioin :Locate in GarminQue and it will search address and you can route to it, but there is no options to store waypoint into contacts, waypoints are store into que's software, but I think Garmin is working on it.

When you said made one with Gilsson, do you mean mod the que antenna? I really don't like hang or connect anything into PDA and I don't like re-rediator antenna, if you are talking about mod the que antenna I can try, I don't care if I break the que antenna I just want to try.

mavic-zap

06-11-2004, 03:31 AM

Hi jwc
When I was talking about using my Gilsson I meant as the receiver for a re-radiating antenna.
The idea would be to use the Gilsson as is, make a power circuit to supply 2.5 volts or what ever it needs and then make the re-radiating element (antenna) and attach it to the powered Gilsson.
The Gilsson would sit on the roof or dashboard to get a clear view of the sky, then the re-radiating element needs to be placed where the GPS can see it fully.
There is no physical connection to the Asus/gps.
The idea is you get to see as many sats as possible (no roof to block the view).

If you have a good position to mount your Asus/gps this is way to much work to do, its only important if your car does not have a good place to mount the unit, or, as some have mentioned, the car has metallic coating on the windshield that blocks GPS signals.

I know very little about actually doing it, it was only an idea I had from another thread, if I ever get an Asus and cf Que I will try to make it, but I will wait for the Asus A730 before I even think of selling the iQue.

I would not try to change the cf Que, that would be too hard, and you would need special knowledge of how to mod the antenna.

I have no problem leaving the Palm OS for PPC, this technology changes so fast that even bad platforms can evolve to be the best in a short time, and I didn’t think PPC was that bad to start with. But one year after I get an Asus Garmin may make the best PDA ever with Palm OS6, so then I will change back again.

Thanks for all the info on your stuff, hope you can let us know of any bad things you find as well as the good.

Cheers
Mick

jonasolof

06-11-2004, 04:00 AM

IN principle, there isn't any difference in modifying the onboard patch antenna and taking a Gilsson and modify it.

First, you have to take away the pacth element (ie antenna) which is a large block of ceramics coated with metal on both sides. The trick is to do it without breaking the printed circuit board on which it is mounted.

Then solder a connector or a coaxial cable (directly) onto the board in the patch antenna connection's place.

To this you attach another antenna which has a really good preamplifier (Gilsson or Wi-sys 9310).

You also have to modify the power feed to the preamplifier, since the coax or connector won't provide the 2.5-5 volts that you need. This can be done by going into the voltage regulator on the preamp printed circuit board.

One problem: This is a one way operation. Afterwards, you'll always need an external antenna connected. All assuming that you didn't break anything.

Your chances of reversing the operation, i.e. putting the patch antenna back again are small, since the ground side of it could be riveted to the PCB.

So a re rad antenna seems to be a wise way to go. There are several threads on those, commercial or home made.

Sony convert

06-11-2004, 04:22 AM

Anyone know a good forum for Asus PDA's? I'm looking for more info, but can't seem to find a good forum.

jwc810

06-11-2004, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
Hi jwc
When I was talking about using my Gilsson I meant as the receiver for a re-radiating antenna.
The idea would be to use the Gilsson as is, make a power circuit to supply 2.5 volts or what ever it needs and then make the re-radiating element (antenna) and attach it to the powered Gilsson.
The Gilsson would sit on the roof or dashboard to get a clear view of the sky, then the re-radiating element needs to be placed where the GPS can see it fully.
There is no physical connection to the Asus/gps.
The idea is you get to see as many sats as possible (no roof to block the view).

If you have a good position to mount your Asus/gps this is way to much work to do, its only important if your car does not have a good place to mount the unit, or, as some have mentioned, the car has metallic coating on the windshield that blocks GPS signals.

I know very little about actually doing it, it was only an idea I had from another thread, if I ever get an Asus and cf Que I will try to make it, but I will wait for the Asus A730 before I even think of selling the iQue.

I would not try to change the cf Que, that would be too hard, and you would need special knowledge of how to mod the antenna.

I have no problem leaving the Palm OS for PPC, this technology changes so fast that even bad platforms can evolve to be the best in a short time, and I didn’t think PPC was that bad to start with. But one year after I get an Asus Garmin may make the best PDA ever with Palm OS6, so then I will change back again.

Thanks for all the info on your stuff, hope you can let us know of any bad things you find as well as the good.

Cheers
Mick

I agree with you, it's not about which OS to go with it's all about overall package.

I vist my friend at Sacramento and I show him my que 3600 and he want to buy it, he never own a PDA and I knew he'll be disapoint on how little he can do on que 3600, he is my best firend and I knew if I talk him into it to get a que 3600 he then gonna ask me how to go online with que 3600? he thought all PDAs should be able to go online, and I told him I am gonna get the A716 with cf que 1620 and I show him the specs so we decide to order 3, one for him and one for his girlfirend and onfor me, but we ordered 2 first becasue this is his first PDA and he want to try it to see if he likes it and then he can order another unit for his girlfirend, he also told me he only needs one cf que 1620 becasue he can connect to cf que to both unit.

I just couldn't convince him to pay 4 or $500 dollar for a PDA and I knew he's gonna ask me about wi-fi, internet, emails..., if I told him just go buy Softick software then you can use USB cable to receive emails connect to internet then he'll say I am crazy why do that if he is only 2 feets away from his desktop?

Who cares what OS is it? if you give me what I want then I am more than happy to pay you.

I love A730 too but we just couldn't find where we can get it at the time we decided to buy A716, so far A716 with cf que is got more advantage than disadvantage, I see others go "WOW" when they see Enfora case for que 3600, I don't want it.

jwc810

06-11-2004, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by jonasolof
IN principle, there isn't any difference in modifying the onboard patch antenna and taking a Gilsson and modify it.

First, you have to take away the pacth element (ie antenna) which is a large block of ceramics coated with metal on both sides. The trick is to do it without breaking the printed circuit board on which it is mounted.

Then solder a connector or a coaxial cable (directly) onto the board in the patch antenna connection's place.

To this you attach another antenna which has a really good preamplifier (Gilsson or Wi-sys 9310).

You also have to modify the power feed to the preamplifier, since the coax or connector won't provide the 2.5-5 volts that you need. This can be done by going into the voltage regulator on the preamp printed circuit board.

One problem: This is a one way operation. Afterwards, you'll always need an external antenna connected. All assuming that you didn't break anything.

Your chances of reversing the operation, i.e. putting the patch antenna back again are small, since the ground side of it could be riveted to the PCB.

So a re rad antenna seems to be a wise way to go. There are several threads on those, commercial or home made.

So it is possible? Want me to unscrew the cf que? I can do it and take a picture.

the cf que or que 3600 antenna works fine for me, I am doing it just for fun, it'll be great to have Gilsson antenna to replace que antenna but if it has to connect as external or re-radiator then I rather just stay with que antenna.

jwc810

06-11-2004, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by Sony convert
Anyone know a good forum for Asus PDA's? I'm looking for more info, but can't seem to find a good forum.

Look for the reviews for Fujisu PDA , there is a similar model of Fujisu PDA and the manufacture is Asus.

Bokkie

06-11-2004, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Sony convert
Anyone know a good forum for Asus PDA's? I'm looking for more info, but can't seem to find a good forum.

With a user name like yours, dont expect a rapturous welcome when you find such a forum!:D

Bokkie

06-11-2004, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by jwc810
So it is possible? Want me to unscrew the cf que? I can do it and take a picture.

the cf que or que 3600 antenna works fine for me, I am doing it just for fun, it'll be great to have Gilsson antenna to replace que antenna but if it has to connect as external or re-radiator then I rather just stay with que antenna.

Please do. You've raised enough interest in the unit for us (well, at least me) to want to see what makes it 'tick' inside.

jonasolof

06-11-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Bokkie
Please do. You've raised enough interest in the unit for us (well, at least me) to want to see what makes it 'tick' inside.

Yeas. please do. I'm interested in seeing if there is an integrated low noise amplifier with the patch antenna on the new unit. In the iQue there is just a cable going from the GPS receiver through the flap hinges out to the passive patch element in the foldout flap.

A low nosie amplifier integrated with the antenna would indicate better reception. It appears that that's the way the Mio 168 is made (from looking at the design of the flap).

It is too early to say if another antenna design or the addition of let's say a Gilsson LNA + patch onto the Que would improve things. We need to know how sensitive it is first.

placido

06-11-2004, 03:56 PM

Is Garmin going to come ut with a version using the SDIO instead of the CF. Many newer PDA no longer use CF slot and replace it with SDIO.

Is Garmin also working on a Bluetooth version also. More and more pDA now has Bluetooth.

jwc810

06-12-2004, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by placido
Is Garmin going to come ut with a version using the SDIO instead of the CF. Many newer PDA no longer use CF slot and replace it with SDIO.

Is Garmin also working on a Bluetooth version also. More and more pDA now has Bluetooth.

that is why I was looking for a dual slot PDA with built in wi-fi and bluetooth.

Curious Cat

06-12-2004, 05:51 AM

JMckie

06-12-2004, 08:20 AM

When they announce the cfQue, I thought to myself "Compact Flash"? Who the hell uses compact flash anymore? I thought it was a stupid move to cater to a rapidly shrinking platform/standard.

But then to give Garmin the benefit of the doubt, maybe they started this particular project when CF was more popular than SD.

The SDIO Que (sdQue?) will sell more than the cfQue but it is still a non-starter for three reasons.
1) If you have an SD slot you are already using it because you need the extra memory. It'll be hard to get by with the limited amount in the sdQue.

2) Antenna position. When you are using it in the car, you want as much freedom as possible to place your antenna.

3) people don't like things sticking out of their small portable devices. Obviously that setup where the device is connected by a wafer thin card is quite fragile.

The bluetooth Que (btQue?) is a no brainer if they want to address the largest potential market. A single device would cater to both Palm and PPC platforms. The need for an external antenna is much less because you can place it anywhere on the dash. Some BT models have connectors for ext antennas.
I apologize for repeating myself here, but the btQue is the only sensible way to go both from a technical and marketing perspective.

And to further differentiate themselves from the pack, they should use their expertise in making standalone GPS devices
to make a btQue that is useable as a more rugged standalone GPS for the times when bringing the PDA is not appropriate.

I'm a big fan of the iQue, and as a consumer I want to see a newer model. But if I were a Garmin shareholder, I would want them to follow the analysis given above.

Curious Cat

06-12-2004, 09:14 AM

JMckie,

One of us has probably misinterpreted the original question about the SDIO slot. Looking back, it was probably me. :eek:

What my answer meant is that they are planning on incorporating SDIO in a future iQue replacement, not the add-on cf que style device. They may or may not be working on an sd que version but I have no knowledge of that either way.

As far as having a Bluetooth enabled device, I agree, that would be the way to go. Moose Man did this with a T3 and TomTom software. It sounded great but the TomTom integration and support was lacking according to his review.

Moose Man

06-12-2004, 10:38 AM

The situation with the TomTom unit and the T3.....to be brief....there was no advantage to the BT module or antenna over the serialized version that TomTom was promoting. Because you still had to power the BT module - when battery was drained - via a connection through the "kit". So you still had a wire hanging off of the antenna for power most of the time. Save the $100 difference in my opinion and get the "serialized" antenna.

SDI0 - that should be something Garmin is working on for both the next Que and for add-on modules for other Palm handheld and PPC devices, again IMHO.

I think an SDIO GPS Module with a remote antenna connection as well as an onboard antenna would be a viable alternative solution to the current number of Palm devices out there. Plus those that come down the road.

jwc810

06-14-2004, 03:22 AM

Did a real test with cf que today, not much differece with que 3600 on navigation, the major diffrence will still be the screen brighness, I'll take a picutre of both unit in daytime so you can cmpare.
Again, it's now all about OS, it's either you like MS Pocket PC or you hate it, Asus is only a hardware manufacture buldle with Wi-Fie and Bluetooth and dual slot.
I also found if you have problem with SanDisk SD card you worn't have the same probem with A716. And if you think SanDisk card is slow then you won't say that with A716.

JMckie

06-14-2004, 08:37 AM

Anybody wonder where the product numbers came from anyway? Why iQue 3600? Why cfQue 1620?

My guess: 360 is a nice number significant in navigation. Adding the extra zero was probably marketing spin.

I can't imagine anything significant about 1620 though. It factors out to 2*2*3*3*3*3*5. (Jeopardy "thinking" music playing in background)

apersson850

06-14-2004, 08:41 AM

Garmin has a larger series of car navigation units, StreetPilots, called 2610, 2620, 2650 and 2660. For no apparent reason, at least none I'm aware of. But it seems logical that a little brother then could be a 1620.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 12:48 AM

Battery test 1:
I set brightness on que 3600 to max and set A716 to low so their brightness can look the same:

Picture 1:

jwc810

06-15-2004, 12:50 AM

1 hour later, the A716 battery still at 80%.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:06 AM

the que 3600 battery dies:

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:07 AM

A716's battery still at the 60%

jwc810

06-15-2004, 02:12 AM

now the battery is at 40%

jwc810

06-15-2004, 02:16 AM

looks like it's gonna take a while.

Sony convert

06-15-2004, 02:17 AM

PDAStreet just added an Asus forum. You can find it here (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=138). Just got my cfQue today and the A716 a few days ago. I haven't tried the GPS yet, but I'm impressed with the software. Here's my pros and cons comparing the iQue to the A716 w/cfQue:

A716 Pros:
faster CPU
excellent battery life (removeable/upgradeable Li battery)
BT/WiFi capabilities
dual expansion slots (CF/SD)
software enhancements(may be seen in R4 on iQue)
brighter screen
Can launch Que and cycle through software with one button just
as on iQue.
Can more easily route from any location other than your current
GPS location.
PPC supports Voice Command

A716 Cons:
Heavier, bulkier
Integration with address book present, but better on iQue
240x320 screen (doesn't really seem to be much of an issue)
Need to buy new software and learn new OS if you are a longtime
Palm OS user.
Cannot use with Gilsson antenna.
No WAAS.

I haven't tested the GPS yet, but so far I'm impressed with the A716 and with the cfQue's software. The way I see it is the major reasons for upgrading would be to add wireless capabilities and/or get a PDA with much better battery life. If you can live without those things, keep the iQue.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Sony convert
PDAStreet just added an Asus forum. You can find it here (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=138). Just got my cfQue today and the A716 a few days ago. I haven't tried the GPS yet, but I'm impressed with the software. Here's my pros and cons comparing the iQue to the A716 w/cfQue:

A716 Pros:
faster CPU
excellent battery life (removeable/upgradeable Li battery)
BT/WiFi capabilities
dual expansion slots (CF/SD)
software enhancements(may be seen in R4 on iQue)
brighter screen
Can launch Que and cycle through software with one button just
as on iQue.
Can more easily route from any location other than your current
GPS location.
PPC supports Voice Command

A716 Cons:
Heavier, bulkier
Integration with address book present, but better on iQue
240x320 screen (doesn't really seem to be much of an issue)
Need to buy new software and learn new OS if you are a longtime
Palm OS user.
Cannot use with Gilsson antenna.
No WAAS.

I haven't tested the GPS yet, but so far I'm impressed with the A716 and with the cfQue's software. The way I see it is the major reasons for upgrading would be to add wireless capabilities and/or get a PDA with much better battery life. If you can live without those things, keep the iQue.

Thanks for the info, but I still need to finish all the battery test here.

JMckie

06-15-2004, 03:07 AM

There are so many problems with your battery test methodology its hard to know where to begin.

The biggest one is about setting the iQue brightness to max to eyeballing the equivalent brightness for the Asus: how can you possibly do this when one is showing a black characters on a mostly white screen and the other is the reverse?

(Your Asus setup: white text on dark background is the setting I use in Palm Reader when I want to conserve battery life.)

The iQue has twice the screen resolution as the Asus. So any brightness test is already flawed because it takes out of the equation picture quality (unless you use the units as a flashlight).

It seems odd that the time is 6 seconds apart. Is it a single picture or two pictures stitched together?

BTW, I read Sony Convert's mention of the Asus' "excellent battery life" and I just took his word on it.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:08 AM

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:10 AM

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:11 AM

I'll finish all my test here so no FBI please.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:27 AM

it's been 4 hours now the battery is now at 20%.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
There are so many problems with your battery test methodology its hard to know where to begin.

The biggest one is about setting the iQue brightness to max to eyeballing the equivalent brightness for the Asus: how can you possibly do this when one is showing a black characters on a mostly white screen and the other is the reverse?

(Your Asus setup: white text on dark background is the setting I use in Palm Reader when I want to conserve battery life.)

The iQue has twice the screen resolution as the Asus. So any brightness test is already flawed because it takes out of the equation picture quality (unless you use the units as a flashlight).

It seems odd that the time is 6 seconds apart. Is it a single picture or two pictures stitched together?

BTW, I read Sony Convert's mention of the Asus' "excellent battery life" and I just took his word on it.

Does 400 MHz CPU counts? the SD card is on A716 does it counts? I was PDAing A716 for a while when I was charging que 3600 does it counts?

You should see it yourself that the lowest brighness settings on A716 is equal to max on que 3600.

One thing I forgot to mention, the A716's performance is only at Standard mode, I don't use turbo mode because I am pretty satisfy with it's performance on stadard mode:

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by jwc810

One thing I forgot to mention, the A716's performance is only at Standard mode, I don't use turbo mode because I am pretty satisfy with it's performance on stadard mode:

I was only trying to tell you that A716 is fast.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 04:06 AM

almost 5 hours now, the A716 battery is at 10%:

jwc810

06-15-2004, 04:20 AM

I should have start the battery test ealier, now it's sitting at 10% for long time and I am tired.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 04:46 AM

it's now 2:41 AM and the battery still at 10%, I am going to bed.

Tomorrow I'll set backlight to max on both unit and shuouldn't take this long.

mavic-zap

06-15-2004, 04:53 AM

Even if the battery testing is not strictly equal (screen background black on the Asus) and even taking into account the newer battery on the Asus compared to the iQue, it’s clear the Asus has very good battery life.

Even with the backlight off my iQue would not last 5 hours with the GPS active, the only way I would get close to that would be to let the screen shut down completely.

It would be interesting to see how long the large capacity battery lasts
:)

JMckie

06-15-2004, 06:14 AM

Even if the battery testing is not strictly equal (screen background black on the Asus) and even taking into account the newer battery on the Asus compared to the iQue, it’s clear the Asus has very good battery life.

I've complained many times in this forum about the iQue's battery life and believe that most (roughly) equivalent handhelds has it beat in that regard. I'm simply disagreeing with the unscientific and biased presentation by the thread author.

Originally posted by jwc810

You should see it yourself that the lowest brighness settings on A716 is equal to max on que 3600.

I am entirely at a disadvantage cause I haven't seen the A716, but I'm willing to bet $100 that this is not true. This can be objectively measured by a light-meter.

apersson850

06-15-2004, 06:21 AM

When my first iQue broke down, I had the replacement side by side with the original one for a while.
The only problem with the first one was that the internal antenna broke down, so I could use both (to some extent) at the same time.
There was no doubt at all, without using anything but my (calibrated?) eyse, that the backlight of the first one was rather a lot brighter than the second. Not that much that I may have noticed if I didn't have them side by side, but in that situation, it was obvious.
It could be that the iQue in question here is one of the weaker, when it comes to backlight. So you could deduct $10 of your bet and send them directly to me, just for telling you that identical units aren't identical... :cool:

Curious Cat

06-15-2004, 06:45 AM

I’m going to agree with everyone: The Asus probably has much better battery life but the test being done is worthless. There is now an Asus forum where this PPC product can be fully discussed without being off topic. IMO, here on this forum, it would probably be appropriate to compare the features of the cf que to the iQue but not every PPC product that comes out should be compared to the Palm based iQue. Doing otherwise would be no different then to debate Apple over Microsoft, since this is no more then Palm verse Microsoft. That’s my opinion but everyone is going to do what they want anyway.

Sony Convert, thanks for the excellent review. Since this is “que” related, I’m intrigued by the ability to respond to voice prompts. Does this tie in anyway with the navigation system?

OWG

06-15-2004, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
I am entirely at a disadvantage cause I haven't seen the A716, but I'm willing to bet $100 that this is not true. This can be objectively measured by a light-meter. [/B]

That's the point. jwc810 is trying to give us as much real life information as he can so we all don't have to go out and get one, or search the web to find out what it is like. There are a lot of people interested in the CF Que, and I appreciate all the effort that is being put into reporting on it. Who really cares if the light coming off the ASUS doesn't match exactly the intensity of the iQue. The point he's trying to make is that to his eyes at a similar brightness level, the battery is lasting much longer.

Bottom line, if people don't like the way or what information is being presented, DONT READ THE THREAD! There is no need to flame a guy for trying to give info.

reinbeau

06-15-2004, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by OWG
That's the point. jwc810 is trying to give us as much real life information as he can so we all don't have to go out and get one, or search the web to find out what it is like. There are a lot of people interested in the CF Que, and I appreciate all the effort that is being put into reporting on it. Who really cares if the light coming off the ASUS doesn't match exactly the intensity of the iQue. The point he's trying to make is that to his eyes at a similar brightness level, the battery is lasting much longer.

Bottom line, if people don't like the way or what information is being presented, DONT READ THE THREAD! There is no need to flame a guy for trying to give info. This is true, however, since there is now a Asus forum, people who are truly interested could wander over there to gather their info.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by OWG
That's the point. jwc810 is trying to give us as much real life information as he can so we all don't have to go out and get one, The point he's trying to make is that to his eyes at a similar brightness level, the battery is lasting much longer.

Exactly, thanks OWG.

tke918

06-15-2004, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by OWG
That's the point. jwc810 is trying to give us as much real life information as he can so we all don't have to go out and get one, or search the web to find out what it is like. There are a lot of people interested in the CF Que, and I appreciate all the effort that is being put into reporting on it. Who really cares if the light coming off the ASUS doesn't match exactly the intensity of the iQue. The point he's trying to make is that to his eyes at a similar brightness level, the battery is lasting much longer.

Bottom line, if people don't like the way or what information is being presented, DONT READ THE THREAD! There is no need to flame a guy for trying to give info.

Indeed. jwc810 is posting great info which is not just about cf que but the comparison between cf que(+asus) and ique with many pictures.

I really enjoy your postings, jwc810.

OWG

06-15-2004, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by reinbeau
This is true, however, since there is now a Asus forum, people who are truly interested could wander over there to gather their info.

Agreed. On new Asus topics only. This thread is a review and comparison between similar products. The Asus component is only part of the discussion. The rest is a comparison between the features and compatability between the cf que and the iQue. Had the Asus forum existed when the thread started, it could have just as easily fit into either one. Since it didn't and the thread is already well under way, it make smore sense to stay here so all can easily follow.

Curious Cat

06-15-2004, 12:54 PM

Now that we know that there is an Asus forum we can all agree that: The cf que does not have a brighter screen, it has no screen at all, nor does it have a long lasting battery, it has no battery. Ditto, with SDIO slots, Bluetooth, etc. Come to think of it, it doesn’t have a place for an external antenna or WAAS either. Now were on topic!

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Now that we know that there is an Asus forum we can all agree that: The cf que does not have a brighter screen, it has no screen at all, nor does it have a long lasting battery, it has no battery. Ditto, with SDIO slots, Bluetooth, etc. Come to think of it, it doesn’t have a place for an external antenna or WAAS either. Now were on topic!

Nice try CC.

Curious Cat

06-15-2004, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
Nice try CC.

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, no external speaker for listening to the voice prompts, no fast CPU and no proper integration with the Address Book.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, no external speaker for listening to the voice prompts, no fast CPU and no proper integration with the Address Book.

It does have a external speaker jack just like que 3600, the bean bag comes with cf que can also works with navigation kit for que 3600.

Curious Cat

06-15-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
It does have a external speaker jack just like que 3600, the bean bag comes with cf que can also works with navigation kit for que 3600.

The cradle that comes with the cf que is dumb, in the sense that it simply holds a PDA, it does not supply power or a speaker.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
The cradle that comes with the cf que is dumb, in the sense that it simply holds a PDA, it does not supply power or a speaker.

power? do you need to connect power to que 3600 while navigation?

OWG

06-15-2004, 01:30 PM

Like I said jwc810, keep up the good work and informative feedback.

OWG

06-15-2004, 01:32 PM

I would be interested to know if the voice control software could be used with the Garmin software. Any plans to try that?

Curious Cat

06-15-2004, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
power? do you need to connect power to que 3600 while navigation?

Yes, unless it’s a short trip.

Is this a trick to talk about battery life in the Asus?:D

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by OWG
I would be interested to know if the voice control software could be used with the Garmin software. Any plans to try that?

I tried Voice Command V.1.0 last night and when I say: "GarminQue" it turns GPS on. I tried to rename "GarminQue" to "GPS" to make it simple but it but it didn't work that way.

OWG

06-15-2004, 01:39 PM

What about control in the application?

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Yes, unless it’s a short trip.

how short? a trip to get a 6 pack? :>

jwc810

06-15-2004, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by OWG
What about control in the application?

so far I tried address book, the commmand is "Show", I say :Show CC and CC's info pops up :).

and when I say: "Sart Inbox" and the email pops up.

Havn't play with it much cause I was doing the battery test last night. was looking for Voice Commmand 2.0 trial version but couldn't find it.

burto2

06-15-2004, 02:03 PM

Long time lurker... first time poster....

Been watching this thread for a while, with great interest. In the Asus / cfQue configuration you have, can the backlight be kept on continuously? I have a toshiba Pocket PC (running PPC 2002) and I think the longest the backlight can be kept on while on external power is 10 min.

Maybe there is a 3rd party app that overrides it, but there is no setting in the PPC to run backlight continuously.

Debating between a PPC/cfQue versus an IQue vs a standalone handheld GPS such as Garmin GPSmap 60c...

jwc810

06-15-2004, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by burto2
Long time lurker... first time poster....

Been watching this thread for a while, with great interest. In the Asus / cfQue configuration you have, can the backlight be kept on continuously? I have a toshiba Pocket PC (running PPC 2002) and I think the longest the backlight can be kept on while on external power is 10 min.

Maybe there is a 3rd party app that overrides it, but there is no setting in the PPC to run backlight continuously.

Debating between a PPC/cfQue versus an IQue vs a standalone handheld GPS such as Garmin GPSmap 60c...

A716 is using PPC 2003 there is no need to install 3rd party software to keep backlight on, just uncheck the turn off backlight box.

Curious Cat

06-15-2004, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
A716 is using PPC 2003 there is no need to install 3rd party software to keep backlight on, just uncheck the turn off backlight box.

If you have it set to “Off” does the cf que software override it? Will it keep the light on, while navigating without having to change that setting?

JMckie

06-15-2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by OWG
What about control in the application?

I've played with that software and the answer is no. It knows about the apps that came with the OS but won't do much for third party apps except launch them.

It makes you self conscious to use it when other people are around, but if the ambient noise is low and you are close enough to the microphone and you speak in as emotionless a voice as possible it works fine.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
If you have it set to “Off?does the cf que software override it? Will it keep the light on, while navigating without having to change that setting?

The cf que software doesn't controll backlight, it's all control by the OS.

placido

06-15-2004, 04:01 PM

Have anyone factor in the fact that the electronics in 3600 may obsolete. It has slower processor, and memory etc. As each newer generation of electronics comes out, not only it is faster, but often use less power. Note that the latest Intel process used in the leatest PDA is at 625MHZ. The 400 Mhz process is already obsolete.

As I mention before, Microsoft may produce inferior earler version of software. But they will keep improving until the competitor is eliminated. Also note that PPC is a much better multimedia OS. Software availability for the PPC seems much better than a year ago.

For navigation in a car, the voice command is a must. If PPC can make the voice command more usable, and Palm does not, I will not be surprise that Garmin will eventually drop Palm.

The current trend seems to indicate the PPC popularity in PDA is rising at the expense of the Palm OS.

jwc810

06-15-2004, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
Even if the battery testing is not strictly equal (screen background black on the Asus) and even taking into account the newer battery on the Asus compared to the iQue, it’s clear the Asus has very good battery life.

Even with the backlight off my iQue would not last 5 hours with the GPS active, the only way I would get close to that would be to let the screen shut down completely.

It would be interesting to see how long the large capacity battery lasts
:)

Mick,
The time I shut it down was close to 3 AM, I think it lasts 6 hours no problem, I can drive from Los Angeles to San Franciso at night time without charging. :)

jwc810

06-15-2004, 11:28 PM

This is not OT, what I am doing now is "Ique 3600 Battery test", I just happen to own a 3600 and A716.

Test 2, both unit's backlight set to max (no FBI here please, they are really at max):

Picture 1:

jwc810

06-15-2004, 11:31 PM

one hour later, A716 is still at 60%.

Picture 2:

jwc810

06-16-2004, 12:25 AM

10:23 PM, the que 3600's screen is getting very dark:

jwc810

06-16-2004, 12:40 AM

10:36 PM, I heard betty was saying "lost sattlelite reception" and battery dies, A716 is still at 20% backlight brightness still no change:

jwc810

06-16-2004, 01:08 AM

11:04 PM, A716 still at 10% and I know it's gonna last for a while just like it did yesterday:

jwc810

06-16-2004, 02:30 AM

12:24AM, it's been 4 hous now the battery stays at 10% and the brightness still the same, it's about a trip from Los Angeles to Las Vegas without charging battery with backlight set to max:

jwc810

06-16-2004, 02:55 AM

Finally, Asus battery dies at 12:53 AM with backlight set to max.

not bad.

mavic-zap

06-16-2004, 06:32 AM

Nice work jwc, over 4 hours with full screen settings is excellent. No surprise about the iQue not lasting, although I think my iQue lasts a bit longer than yours at full brightness, how old is your iQue?

I’m getting more impatient for the A730 to come out now.

Cheers
Mick

Curious Cat

06-16-2004, 07:10 AM

If you’re willing to carry around a much bigger heavier unit (716) and plug your GPS unit into it then you could legitimately compare it to the iQue with the rechargeable external battery pack that is about as small as the cf que plug in.

To be fair, even taking into account what I wrote above, I would still give the nod to the Asus for battery use as it doesn’t require an external hookup to a battery pack and you can swap in a replacement easily.

Of course, in a vehicle, the iQue receives power from the cradle while the Asus doesn’t so they both have some advantage .

JMckie

06-16-2004, 07:27 AM

If it is true that the cf Que will not run third party apps like Fugawi, then I've already made up my mind that it is a very poor choice for a PocketPC GPS. I would personally go for one of the many bluetooth solutions.

The Asus looks like a nice handheld (as most new models will when compared to older models such as the iQue) and I would consider it if I didn't already have a PDA.

I have to mention that here is one advantage of a non-integrated solution - if you don't like one part of it you can just replace it.

Curious Cat

06-16-2004, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
If it is true that the cf Que will not run third party apps like Fugawi, then I've already made up my mind that it is a very poor choice for a PocketPC GPS. I would personally go for one of the many bluetooth solutions.

The Asus looks like a nice handheld (as most new models will when compared to older models such as the iQue) and I would consider it if I didn't already have a PDA.

I have to mention that here is one advantage of a non-integrated solution - if you don't like one part of it you can just replace it.

Is Garmin saying they haven’t released the SDK or that they don’t ever intend to release it? Am I’m right in assuming, without it, you’re pretty much limited to what Garmin provides for anything having to do with GPS and/or navigating? Why would they release it for the iQue and not the cf que?

Bokkie

06-16-2004, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Curious Cat
Is Garmin saying they haven’t released the SDK or that they don’t ever intend to release it? Am I’m right in assuming, without it, you’re pretty much limited to what Garmin provides for anything having to do with GPS and/or navigating? Why would they release it for the iQue and not the cf que?

CC, you can read about it here. (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44036)

Curious Cat

06-16-2004, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Bokkie
CC, you can read about it here. (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44036)

Thanks Bokkie,
That sucks for the cf que. Why would they let the SDK be available for the iQue and not the cf que? Without it, you’re stuck with just what Garmin provides.

JMckie

06-16-2004, 10:02 AM

CC,

(Bearing in mind that it is still not conclusive that there is not an API or one planned). Here's my guess:

One probable line of reasoning from Garmin is that users really don't want or need any third party apps. After all none of the Streetpilots or etrexes have an developer kit (I think), and they have been successful with those. And this would be right for the most part. Most users will only use it for driving and be perfectly happy with City Select. (Before I found this forum I thought that was all you could do with a GPS system and it would have been enough to keep me satisfied.)

Why a developer kit for the iQue? Because it was a brand new standalone device and the correct move in that situation is to gain acceptance by opening it up to developers. The cf Que, being a PDA accessory does not need 3rd party support as much as a brand new PDA.

Bokkie

06-16-2004, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
CC,

(Bearing in mind that it is still not conclusive that there is not an API or one planned). Here's my guess:

One probable line of reasoning from Garmin is that users really don't want or need any third party apps. After all none of the Streetpilots or etrexes have an developer kit (I think), and they have been successful with those. And this would be right for the most part. Most users will only use it for driving and be perfectly happy with City Select. (Before I found this forum I thought that was all you could do with a GPS system and it would have been enough to keep me satisfied.)

Why a developer kit for the iQue? Because it was a brand new standalone device and the correct move in that situation is to gain acceptance by opening it up to developers. The cf Que, being a PDA accessory does not need 3rd party support as much as a brand new PDA.

I think they have another strategy in mind perhaps. There is no advantage not providing one because they probably must have developed one for the cfQue anyway. If they continue to make unusual decisions I'm not suprised their market share has slipped at the expense of others. Sooner or later, someone else will come up with one perhaps.

Maybe someone else could contact Garmin and get another perspective from someone else there?

jwc810

06-16-2004, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by mavic-zap
Nice work jwc, over 4 hours with full screen settings is excellent. No surprise about the iQue not lasting, although I think my iQue lasts a bit longer than yours at full brightness, how old is your iQue?

I’m getting more impatient for the A730 to come out now.

Cheers
Mick

It's a new unit sent from Garmin on Nov. 2003, how long does your battery last at full brightness with GPS turn on?

jwc810

06-16-2004, 06:53 PM

CC,
Hey look here, I made one myself and it's working great. :D

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=201258

Curious Cat

06-16-2004, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by jwc810
CC,
Hey look here, I made one myself and it's working great. :D

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=201258

I now know what your thumb looks like :D but what did you make?

mavic-zap

06-17-2004, 05:24 AM

Jwc,
I have never timed my iQue with full screen brightness, I just have a feeling my iQue goes a bit longer.

My iQue is almost the same age as yours, December 2003. I have Friday off work, so I am going to do two tests.

Step 1. Full charge the iQue
Step 2. Hard reset the iQue and install the base files from the iQue setup CD
Step 3. Install “SetAutoOff” – an app that keeps the Q running when not on power

Test 1. Time battery life with GPS on and screen at the lowest brightness

Step 4. Fully recharge the Q again

Test 2. Time battery life with GPS on and screen at the highest brightness

I’ll post the results when done

JMckie

06-17-2004, 08:49 AM

I might suggest that a warm reset will prevent any applications from running (or loading) on startup. Things go back to normal after a soft reset.

There is also a "dot shortcut" that is a purely OS based way of preventing shut off. Look for the words "battery test shortcut". This removes any uncertainty of SetAutoOff possibly using a technique that drains power.

Curious Cat

06-17-2004, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by JMckie
....
There is also a "dot shortcut" that is a purely OS based way of preventing shut off. Look for the words "battery test shortcut". This removes any uncertainty of SetAutoOff possibly using a technique that drains power.

Keep Palm on:

Bring up Palm Find
in graffiti area enter shortcut (lowercase cursive 'L' )
period (a single dot )
3 (the number three )
it will replace what you just wrote with [no auto-off]
warm reset to reverse

That way it won't auto-off and you can simply time it.

mavic-zap

06-17-2004, 09:20 AM

JMckie, CC

Thanks for the info, I will use it for the lowest brightness test.
I am almost at the end of the full brightness test (2 hours and 15min now) and the screen is getting very dim, but it is still going and the GPS has good signal strength. I have reversed the test order, high power first, low power second.

jwc810

06-17-2004, 12:33 PM

When I did the test the SD card wasn't in que 3600, it was alwasy in A716 I don't know if that's going to make any difference.

bozi00

06-17-2004, 03:42 PM

Hi!
My Q have operated 2 hours and 34 minutes with a GPA-02A ext. antenna. There have been a Sandisk Ultra II 512MB in the Q.
Tomorrow I'm goint to test at lowest brightness.

mavic-zap

06-17-2004, 07:56 PM

Jwc / bozi00

For the full brightness test my Q gave the battery warning screen at 1 hour, almost to the minute, so that’s about the same as jwc810’s pics show.
After this the screen gradually got dimmer, but it stayed on and had good sat lock for a further 1 hour and 41 minutes.

I had my SD card removed and only the base applications from the setup disc loaded, in addition I was running “AutoSetOff” to keep the Q awake, but CC/JMckie have told me how to do this from the OS now. I was only using the internal antenna, and had the screen set to the GPS info page for the entire test.

Total time with GPS active and screen at full brightness = 2 hrs 41 min

Jwc, my battery did not last much longer than yours for any real world uses, but as a percentage it works out at about 120% of your Q

Bozi00, it sounds like your Q has very similar battery life to mine (my Q 104% of yours) but you had SD card and ext antenna, so maybe that had an effect.

Currently I am doing the low brightness test, so this will take a while.

By for now

jwc810

06-17-2004, 11:10 PM

Yes in real world use the voice prompt will drain more battery, also depends on the temperature.

mavic-zap

06-18-2004, 12:06 AM

OK, I’m annoyed with myself for missing the final shut down for my low screen power test.
I started the test at 9:00am, but I had to go out; when I got back at 1:50pm the Q was dead. When I powered it up in the cradle the screen was frozen with the low battery warning popup and the time was 1:03pm, so sometime between 1:03pm and 1:50pm it shut down. I’ll take a guess and say it shut down around 1:30pm.
So the total time running with low screen brightness and GPS active would be around 4 hrs and 30 min (+/- 20min).

This is roughly what I had experienced before just in normal use.

I guess the only benefit of having this info is to compare against other iQue’s and also to keep tabs on the health of my own battery.

Hope someone else gets some use from this. I have attached a screen pic to show the brightness setting; it’s about as low as it will go maybe one or two shades higher than when the backlight goes off completely.

Mick