rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 12:00 PM
Anybody notice anything strange here?
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rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 12:01 PM
And this one:
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 12:04 PM
Last one:
JMckie
06-24-2004, 12:18 PM
You are not getting WAAS #35 even though you are reading adjacent satellites?
reinbeau
06-24-2004, 12:19 PM
Only thing I see different is you've got a 17 ......I don't. I've got a 28. You don't. Hmmmmmm. Do I win a prise? :p
Statsman
06-24-2004, 12:27 PM
It still says Acquiring Satellites, when you have more than four already locked?
nparker13
06-24-2004, 12:28 PM
You dont have a fix when you have more than 3 sats...i know that was a big problem before r3, but I thought they fixed it...i would soft reset if thats actually the prob...works for me.
-nate
-nate
JMckie
06-24-2004, 12:35 PM
Another guess: The sun and moon are missing?
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 12:38 PM
Congrats to Statsman since he was the first to answer correctly.
This is a new unit serial #914... (I think from RMA #8). Ever since I got it I've had really weird problems with satellite reception. It loses lock frequently, doesn't get a position even though it has locked on to enough sats, can't get a waas lock without external antenna (I could with previous units), etc.
Soft resets don't work. I'll try the reset which clears out the nonvolitile memory (different than a normal hard reset) to see if that fixes the problem.
Is the military still jamming the GPS signal of the NC coast? Could that have an effect as far inland as Raleigh?
This is a new unit serial #914... (I think from RMA #8). Ever since I got it I've had really weird problems with satellite reception. It loses lock frequently, doesn't get a position even though it has locked on to enough sats, can't get a waas lock without external antenna (I could with previous units), etc.
Soft resets don't work. I'll try the reset which clears out the nonvolitile memory (different than a normal hard reset) to see if that fixes the problem.
Is the military still jamming the GPS signal of the NC coast? Could that have an effect as far inland as Raleigh?
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by JMckie
Another guess: The sun and moon are missing?
Good catch, I didn't notice that myself.
Another guess: The sun and moon are missing?
Good catch, I didn't notice that myself.
Statsman
06-24-2004, 12:47 PM
In the DC area, I have no problem getting sat 35.
OT - this morning my wife was driving with Betty, when she just turned off. Had to do a hard reset to get the iQue back on. Does this happen often?
OT - this morning my wife was driving with Betty, when she just turned off. Had to do a hard reset to get the iQue back on. Does this happen often?
Statsman
06-24-2004, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by rwsmith123
Good catch, I didn't notice that myself.
The sun and moon should be missing, until you have a position for them to show up as. Don't you think?
Good catch, I didn't notice that myself.
The sun and moon should be missing, until you have a position for them to show up as. Don't you think?
JMckie
06-24-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Statsman
In the DC area, I have no problem getting sat 35.
OT - this morning my wife was driving with Betty, when she just turned off. Had to do a hard reset to get the iQue back on. Does this happen often?
Happened to me about once a month in the cold dry months always preceded by some traumatic static discharge.
Sun and moon in QueGPS shows up for me without a fix BTW.
In the DC area, I have no problem getting sat 35.
OT - this morning my wife was driving with Betty, when she just turned off. Had to do a hard reset to get the iQue back on. Does this happen often?
Happened to me about once a month in the cold dry months always preceded by some traumatic static discharge.
Sun and moon in QueGPS shows up for me without a fix BTW.
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Statsman
The sun and moon should be missing, until you have a position for them to show up as. Don't you think?
True.
It did have a position and then lost it, then got into the situation above.
The sun and moon should be missing, until you have a position for them to show up as. Don't you think?
True.
It did have a position and then lost it, then got into the situation above.
pugnacious
06-24-2004, 01:07 PM
Rich I noticed one more thing, dude, you need a Gilsson!;)
SGM
06-24-2004, 01:19 PM
Hi Rich:
I am new here, but do I understand correctly that you have had to RMA your Ique 8 times?
Steve
I am new here, but do I understand correctly that you have had to RMA your Ique 8 times?
Steve
JMckie
06-24-2004, 01:20 PM
And he isn't the record holder either. :)
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by JMckie
And he isn't the record holder either. :)
What number are you on?
Just last week, my AC/DC converter went bad. I've never had one of those go bad before. It does have the folding prongs on it which is a moving part which could be prone to failure, but I never unplug it, it always stays plugged into the ups that the computer is plugged into. And because it's on a ups, a power spike didn't kill it. Oh, well.
And he isn't the record holder either. :)
What number are you on?
Just last week, my AC/DC converter went bad. I've never had one of those go bad before. It does have the folding prongs on it which is a moving part which could be prone to failure, but I never unplug it, it always stays plugged into the ups that the computer is plugged into. And because it's on a ups, a power spike didn't kill it. Oh, well.
Statsman
06-24-2004, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Statsman
In the DC area, I have no problem getting sat 35.
OT - this morning my wife was driving with Betty, when she just turned off. Had to do a hard reset to get the iQue back on. Does this happen often?
This afternoon, she was able to turn it on, but then it locked up on her. Now she can't even turn Betty off:eek:
Should I RMA the unit? Purchased four week ago, SN 9142...?
In the DC area, I have no problem getting sat 35.
OT - this morning my wife was driving with Betty, when she just turned off. Had to do a hard reset to get the iQue back on. Does this happen often?
This afternoon, she was able to turn it on, but then it locked up on her. Now she can't even turn Betty off:eek:
Should I RMA the unit? Purchased four week ago, SN 9142...?
SGM
06-24-2004, 03:20 PM
Hard to belive some owners have RMA'd 8 or more times in less than 12 months. I do wish to get one, but that does give one "pause". But I am sure there are many owners that have never had a first problem that required an RMA.
ezjeeper
06-24-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by rwsmith123
Is the military still jamming the GPS signal of the NC coast? Could that have an effect as far inland as Raleigh?
I don't know if they are jamming, but, yes, it could go as far inland as Raleigh. When I was stationed in Nevada, we used to have jamming that shut off a good portion of the western US. Depends on how far they want it to jam.
Is the military still jamming the GPS signal of the NC coast? Could that have an effect as far inland as Raleigh?
I don't know if they are jamming, but, yes, it could go as far inland as Raleigh. When I was stationed in Nevada, we used to have jamming that shut off a good portion of the western US. Depends on how far they want it to jam.
JMckie
06-24-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by rwsmith123
What number are you on?
Rich, I wasn't referring to myself but to one of the forum members who has a legendary 10+ RMAs. (The name escapes me at the moment)
What number are you on?
Rich, I wasn't referring to myself but to one of the forum members who has a legendary 10+ RMAs. (The name escapes me at the moment)
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by JMckie
Rich, I wasn't referring to myself but to one of the forum members who has a legendary 10+ RMAs. (The name escapes me at the moment)
I know who you're talking about, but don't know the name either, thought it might have been you though.
The units are more stable now, but I would guess that there would be a fair chance that if you purchase one now that it would have to be RMA'ed within the 1 year warrenty period. I love the thing too much to give it up though, when it works it's great.
Rich, I wasn't referring to myself but to one of the forum members who has a legendary 10+ RMAs. (The name escapes me at the moment)
I know who you're talking about, but don't know the name either, thought it might have been you though.
The units are more stable now, but I would guess that there would be a fair chance that if you purchase one now that it would have to be RMA'ed within the 1 year warrenty period. I love the thing too much to give it up though, when it works it's great.
Curious Cat
06-24-2004, 05:31 PM
Stevevo (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums//member.php?action=getinfo&userid=12080)
JMckie
06-24-2004, 05:38 PM
Yes, that's him. Legendary for his loyalty, patience, and plain old stubbornness.
Wasn't he in some movie?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0828177/
Wasn't he in some movie?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0828177/
kenspice
06-24-2004, 07:04 PM
I was not sure about what was happening between me and Betty so I was not going to post this but, Rich, your post talked me into it. I had a good set of sat.s and a clear sky and Betty was talking to me. As I approached Ft. Lewis from the south on I-5 it lost all reception. I mean zilch! I thought # 1 RMA and I have not had ANY problems with my old 902. 3 miles north of Ft. Lewis I got it all back. On returning from my trip to Seattle and approaching Ft. Lewis from the north...bingo...gone again. South of the Base it all came back again. This was several months ago and since then I have had Betty tell me "Lost satelite reception" in this area several times. Testing? beats me! If they are and it helps security, I'm for it 100%. But, how do I explain that to Betty?:(
rwsmith123
06-24-2004, 08:06 PM
Yesterday right as I drove past RDU airport it lost it's fix, I switched to the sat display and nothing, it took 10 minutes for it to get a fix again. Maybe the microwaves from the radar scrambled it's brains, but I drive by the airport twice a day.
Anyway, a hard reset seems to have solved the problem for now.
Anyway, a hard reset seems to have solved the problem for now.
stevevo
06-24-2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by JMckie
Yes, that's him. Legendary for his loyalty, patience, and plain old stubbornness.
Wasn't he in some movie?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0828177/
That certainly isn't me in that picture. Yes I have had 10 RMA's and this last one is really great. It does have one familliar twist to it though. I still have to soft reset it before I take a trip if I want the QueTrip to work. It won't do anything except tell me the Speed and Direction if I don't soft Reset it. I have never seen the "D" that are on the bars but it does aquire rather fast and no problems with the internal antenna now. Hope that when the winter comes again I don't start getting the static that kills the antenna. THis one has lasted me 4 whole months and I have been to California with no lost of anything and it worked the whole time just like it was supposed to. I am a happy camper now and Garmin Tech Support is the BEST!!
Yes, that's him. Legendary for his loyalty, patience, and plain old stubbornness.
Wasn't he in some movie?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0828177/
That certainly isn't me in that picture. Yes I have had 10 RMA's and this last one is really great. It does have one familliar twist to it though. I still have to soft reset it before I take a trip if I want the QueTrip to work. It won't do anything except tell me the Speed and Direction if I don't soft Reset it. I have never seen the "D" that are on the bars but it does aquire rather fast and no problems with the internal antenna now. Hope that when the winter comes again I don't start getting the static that kills the antenna. THis one has lasted me 4 whole months and I have been to California with no lost of anything and it worked the whole time just like it was supposed to. I am a happy camper now and Garmin Tech Support is the BEST!!
Fencesitter
06-25-2004, 12:02 PM
Rich,
How did you get the nice 3-D system/toolbar/whatever icons at the bottom of the screen? I take it that's an add-on skin or something, right? Which one?
-mark
How did you get the nice 3-D system/toolbar/whatever icons at the bottom of the screen? I take it that's an add-on skin or something, right? Which one?
-mark
rwsmith123
06-25-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Fencesitter
Rich,
How did you get the nice 3-D system/toolbar/whatever icons at the bottom of the screen? I take it that's an add-on skin or something, right? Which one?
-mark
http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&SID=5CF81984-CF18-A787-A63AC4D4DEB33AE7&PartnerREF=&prodID=58925
It matches my blue/grey skin that I use with zlauncher pretty well too.
Rich,
How did you get the nice 3-D system/toolbar/whatever icons at the bottom of the screen? I take it that's an add-on skin or something, right? Which one?
-mark
http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&SID=5CF81984-CF18-A787-A63AC4D4DEB33AE7&PartnerREF=&prodID=58925
It matches my blue/grey skin that I use with zlauncher pretty well too.
donc13
06-25-2004, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by rwsmith123
Congrats to Statsman since he was the first to answer correctly.
This is a new unit serial #914... (I think from RMA #8). Ever since I got it I've had really weird problems with satellite reception. It loses lock frequently, doesn't get a position even though it has locked on to enough sats, can't get a waas lock without external antenna (I could with previous units), etc.
Soft resets don't work. I'll try the reset which clears out the nonvolitile memory (different than a normal hard reset) to see if that fixes the problem.
Is the military still jamming the GPS signal of the NC coast? Could that have an effect as far inland as Raleigh?
Ok...I'm late to the party, I noted that hard lock on 6 sats with no location. Could be that it doesn't have a current almanac? I believe it takes about 12 minutes to get a current almanac and in the meantime, it can only go by the internal almanac, which is why it thinks it knows which sats should be up there, and that's why it hasn't given a position yet?
Either that...or you cpu died <grin> or some such. The display shows it's got the satellites locked, but hasn't yet been able to figure out what all that means. If your CPU is chugging away doing some other task, it hasn't got enough cycles left to do the math to figure out where you are!
<bigger grin>!
Congrats to Statsman since he was the first to answer correctly.
This is a new unit serial #914... (I think from RMA #8). Ever since I got it I've had really weird problems with satellite reception. It loses lock frequently, doesn't get a position even though it has locked on to enough sats, can't get a waas lock without external antenna (I could with previous units), etc.
Soft resets don't work. I'll try the reset which clears out the nonvolitile memory (different than a normal hard reset) to see if that fixes the problem.
Is the military still jamming the GPS signal of the NC coast? Could that have an effect as far inland as Raleigh?
Ok...I'm late to the party, I noted that hard lock on 6 sats with no location. Could be that it doesn't have a current almanac? I believe it takes about 12 minutes to get a current almanac and in the meantime, it can only go by the internal almanac, which is why it thinks it knows which sats should be up there, and that's why it hasn't given a position yet?
Either that...or you cpu died <grin> or some such. The display shows it's got the satellites locked, but hasn't yet been able to figure out what all that means. If your CPU is chugging away doing some other task, it hasn't got enough cycles left to do the math to figure out where you are!
<bigger grin>!
rwsmith123
06-25-2004, 08:32 PM
It had a fix and was routing me home when the problem happened, so it had a current almanac.
Today I did a hard reset, and a non-volatile reset, and didn't hotsync, so there were no programs loaded. It had a fix and then the problem happended again, for 10 minutes it had enough sats for a fix, but wouldn't get one, then I turned it off and back on, and it got a fix within 20 seconds. Looks like I'll be getting #9 soon :(.
Today I did a hard reset, and a non-volatile reset, and didn't hotsync, so there were no programs loaded. It had a fix and then the problem happended again, for 10 minutes it had enough sats for a fix, but wouldn't get one, then I turned it off and back on, and it got a fix within 20 seconds. Looks like I'll be getting #9 soon :(.
OWG
06-25-2004, 10:34 PM
Speaking of weird, I was in downtown L.A. this last week doing some urban geocaches, and noticed at one point that the iQue had me located exactly one block away. I was not set to lock on roads, but to show at current position, had a 3D fix, and the "green circle" was very tight around my position. It moved correctly when I did, tracked my walking speed exactly, but was a block off. I tried a soft reset and it stayed where it was. Walked a little further (~300 feet) and it self corrected. Weird....
Curious Cat
06-25-2004, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by OWG
Speaking of weird, I was in downtown L.A. this last week doing some urban geocaches, and noticed at one point that the iQue had me located exactly one block away. I was not set to lock on roads, but to show at current position, had a 3D fix, and the "green circle" was very tight around my position. It moved correctly when I did, tracked my walking speed exactly, but was a block off. I tried a soft reset and it stayed where it was. Walked a little further (~300 feet) and it self corrected. Weird....
I use to live in California. They call that effect an earthquake...
Speaking of weird, I was in downtown L.A. this last week doing some urban geocaches, and noticed at one point that the iQue had me located exactly one block away. I was not set to lock on roads, but to show at current position, had a 3D fix, and the "green circle" was very tight around my position. It moved correctly when I did, tracked my walking speed exactly, but was a block off. I tried a soft reset and it stayed where it was. Walked a little further (~300 feet) and it self corrected. Weird....
I use to live in California. They call that effect an earthquake...
OWG
06-25-2004, 10:42 PM
LOL...you're a funny Cat!!!
jonasolof
06-27-2004, 04:27 PM
Rich
Satellte geometry is bad for triangulation in all screenshots. You can havemore than 4 sats received (black bars)and still get no position if all sats are on a line. Let's say you are in a street wich limits views toother asimuths.
Satellte geometry is bad for triangulation in all screenshots. You can havemore than 4 sats received (black bars)and still get no position if all sats are on a line. Let's say you are in a street wich limits views toother asimuths.
apersson850
06-27-2004, 04:46 PM
The almanac theory, posted by donc13 above, doesn't hold. Once the satellite image and the signal strength bar is black, it's supposed not only to have the coarse almanac data, but also the fine-tuned ephemeris data. The latter is required for the GPS to be able to compute a position.
Could it be that it, for some obscure reason, considered several of the satellite's status being "Don't use for navigation"?
(Language lesson again.
I once learned the meaning of "obscure" by this quote:
"Detatchments of a German expeditionary force, under one obscure general, Rommel, have landed in North Africa." From a British military intelligence summary, 1941.)
Could it be that it, for some obscure reason, considered several of the satellite's status being "Don't use for navigation"?
(Language lesson again.
I once learned the meaning of "obscure" by this quote:
"Detatchments of a German expeditionary force, under one obscure general, Rommel, have landed in North Africa." From a British military intelligence summary, 1941.)
rwsmith123
06-27-2004, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by jonasolof
Rich
Satellte geometry is bad for triangulation in all screenshots. You can havemore than 4 sats received (black bars)and still get no position if all sats are on a line. Let's say you are in a street wich limits views toother asimuths.
When the problem occurs it's when the satellite geometry is less than optimum, however I found that when it gets into this situation all I have to do is turn the unit off and back on, and then it gets a fix within seconds (after failing to get a fix in minutes). And in the pictures I posted it should have no trouble getting a 2D fix from sats 22, 29, and 17.
It also has another problem where the maps disappear completely, then I have to take out and re-insert the SD card for them to come back (and no it's not a sandisk!).
Rich
Satellte geometry is bad for triangulation in all screenshots. You can havemore than 4 sats received (black bars)and still get no position if all sats are on a line. Let's say you are in a street wich limits views toother asimuths.
When the problem occurs it's when the satellite geometry is less than optimum, however I found that when it gets into this situation all I have to do is turn the unit off and back on, and then it gets a fix within seconds (after failing to get a fix in minutes). And in the pictures I posted it should have no trouble getting a 2D fix from sats 22, 29, and 17.
It also has another problem where the maps disappear completely, then I have to take out and re-insert the SD card for them to come back (and no it's not a sandisk!).
apersson850
06-28-2004, 05:15 AM
I checked how my iQue behaves. There is actually nothing at all that's strange with your pictures, as long as the viewer doesn't know that it's a situation that's been persistent for several minutes.
If I use my iQue long enough to get a good fix, turn it off and then back on again, it will look exactly like your images for 5-10 seconds, and then the position calculation is completed again.
But it certainly doesn't go on like that for minutes.
If I use my iQue long enough to get a good fix, turn it off and then back on again, it will look exactly like your images for 5-10 seconds, and then the position calculation is completed again.
But it certainly doesn't go on like that for minutes.
donc13
06-28-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by OWG
Speaking of weird, I was in downtown L.A. this last week doing some urban geocaches, and noticed at one point that the iQue had me located exactly one block away. I was not set to lock on roads, but to show at current position, had a 3D fix, and the "green circle" was very tight around my position. It moved correctly when I did, tracked my walking speed exactly, but was a block off. I tried a soft reset and it stayed where it was. Walked a little further (~300 feet) and it self corrected. Weird....
You sure the street signs weren't a block off, intended to confuse tourists you know! <huge grin!>
Speaking of weird, I was in downtown L.A. this last week doing some urban geocaches, and noticed at one point that the iQue had me located exactly one block away. I was not set to lock on roads, but to show at current position, had a 3D fix, and the "green circle" was very tight around my position. It moved correctly when I did, tracked my walking speed exactly, but was a block off. I tried a soft reset and it stayed where it was. Walked a little further (~300 feet) and it self corrected. Weird....
You sure the street signs weren't a block off, intended to confuse tourists you know! <huge grin!>
apersson850
06-28-2004, 10:27 AM
You mean like they did in Great Britain, in 1940, when they expected many "tourists"?
jonasolof
06-28-2004, 02:18 PM
My overall impression with the sat screens is that the signals are quite weak (fault in gps receiver?). This makes acquisition take a long time. Rich, didn't you try with a Gilsson or the like.
Even for an internal antenna, I think the bars are low.
Even for an internal antenna, I think the bars are low.
rwsmith123
06-28-2004, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by jonasolof
My overall impression with the sat screens is that the signals are quite weak (fault in gps receiver?). This makes acquisition take a long time. Rich, didn't you try with a Gilsson or the like.
Even for an internal antenna, I think the bars are low.
I have an external antenna, but don't use it much, usually don't need to.
I've determined my unit is faulty. As I stated in a post above, I did a hard reset, and a non_volitile reset. I didn't hotsync or load any software. Then I let the unit get a fix, then started driving around, after a while it got the problem where it lost it's fix even though it had black bars for 5 or more sats. I let it try to get a fix for 10 minutes. Then all I did was turn the unit off and back on (didn't remove it from the cradle or anything), and within 20 seconds it got a fix.
I suspected that this unit was faulty pretty much from the start but I wanted to make sure the problem wasn't due to software.
My overall impression with the sat screens is that the signals are quite weak (fault in gps receiver?). This makes acquisition take a long time. Rich, didn't you try with a Gilsson or the like.
Even for an internal antenna, I think the bars are low.
I have an external antenna, but don't use it much, usually don't need to.
I've determined my unit is faulty. As I stated in a post above, I did a hard reset, and a non_volitile reset. I didn't hotsync or load any software. Then I let the unit get a fix, then started driving around, after a while it got the problem where it lost it's fix even though it had black bars for 5 or more sats. I let it try to get a fix for 10 minutes. Then all I did was turn the unit off and back on (didn't remove it from the cradle or anything), and within 20 seconds it got a fix.
I suspected that this unit was faulty pretty much from the start but I wanted to make sure the problem wasn't due to software.
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