McMan
07-30-2004, 01:12 PM
Do you guys know if we're going to die on Palm OS 5.2 or Garmin will eventually switch our OS to 6.0 ?
Please turn the rumous in :)!
Thanks,
MCMan
Please turn the rumous in :)!
Thanks,
MCMan
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Curious Cat
07-30-2004, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by McMan
Do you guys know if we're going to die on Palm OS 5.2 or Garmin will eventually switch our OS to 6.0 ?
Please turn the rumous in :)!
Thanks,
MCMan
I've been told unofficially that the next version of Palm will be used in the next version of an iQue but I don't think there are any plans to make Palm 6 work on our current model.
Do you guys know if we're going to die on Palm OS 5.2 or Garmin will eventually switch our OS to 6.0 ?
Please turn the rumous in :)!
Thanks,
MCMan
I've been told unofficially that the next version of Palm will be used in the next version of an iQue but I don't think there are any plans to make Palm 6 work on our current model.
Moose Man
07-30-2004, 01:47 PM
Cobalt (OS6) will be used primarily on devices that will have network capability and bluetooth. There is very little reason to expect Garmin to update to OS6 when the principle reason behind the uprade would be for connectivity that the Que is not capable of.
Also, PalmOne and Palmsource (and all previous hardware manufacturers) have never made a full tilt upgrade available for free to their customers. Patches were applied to OS 3 to take it to 3.5 but that was it. No jumps from version to version have ever been offered in the system.
OS6 will allow true multitasking as well as the previously mentioned communication benefits but to expect Garmin to add it to the Que is not reasonable based upon historical precedent by Palmsource.
And actually Palmsource would be the company that would have to offer the upgrade and I doubt they'd be willing to do it for free.
So tersely stated: no it won't happen. ;)
Also, PalmOne and Palmsource (and all previous hardware manufacturers) have never made a full tilt upgrade available for free to their customers. Patches were applied to OS 3 to take it to 3.5 but that was it. No jumps from version to version have ever been offered in the system.
OS6 will allow true multitasking as well as the previously mentioned communication benefits but to expect Garmin to add it to the Que is not reasonable based upon historical precedent by Palmsource.
And actually Palmsource would be the company that would have to offer the upgrade and I doubt they'd be willing to do it for free.
So tersely stated: no it won't happen. ;)
Fencesitter
07-30-2004, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Moose Man
Also, PalmOne and Palmsource (and all previous hardware manufacturers) have never made a full tilt upgrade available for free to their customers. Patches were applied to OS 3 to take it to 3.5 but that was it. No jumps from version to version have ever been offered in the system. The first half of that statement is true, but I remember that Palm and Sony did offer a version to version upgrade for a price.
Palm had something like a $25 flash upgrade from OS3 to OS4 for their PalmIII devices (sorry, no link to a Palm page, it's not offered any more but theres still a page (http://www.pdasupport.com/OS4Upgrade.htm) and press release (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2130) describing it). Sony had an upgrade for some of their Clies where you had to send your Clie in with a check to be upgraded by them (sorry, no good links)
Also, PalmOne and Palmsource (and all previous hardware manufacturers) have never made a full tilt upgrade available for free to their customers. Patches were applied to OS 3 to take it to 3.5 but that was it. No jumps from version to version have ever been offered in the system. The first half of that statement is true, but I remember that Palm and Sony did offer a version to version upgrade for a price.
Palm had something like a $25 flash upgrade from OS3 to OS4 for their PalmIII devices (sorry, no link to a Palm page, it's not offered any more but theres still a page (http://www.pdasupport.com/OS4Upgrade.htm) and press release (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2130) describing it). Sony had an upgrade for some of their Clies where you had to send your Clie in with a check to be upgraded by them (sorry, no good links)
Moose Man
07-30-2004, 04:47 PM
As I stated for free. There was a very brief window for an upgrade from OS3 to 3.5 when the III was competing with the original Handspring Visor and I thought it was more like $75 but memory has passed.
I was unaware of Sony ever offering a full tilt upgrade from any OS 4 to OS 5. If they offered it for 3.5 to 4.x I'm also unaware because I thought all of the Sony's were 4x devices.
The bottom line is there hasn't been a "free" precedent and it's highly doubtful that Garmin will step up and offer it, IMHO.
I was unaware of Sony ever offering a full tilt upgrade from any OS 4 to OS 5. If they offered it for 3.5 to 4.x I'm also unaware because I thought all of the Sony's were 4x devices.
The bottom line is there hasn't been a "free" precedent and it's highly doubtful that Garmin will step up and offer it, IMHO.
Sho-Bud
07-30-2004, 05:02 PM
I don't think an upgrade for the Ique 3600 will come.
If I'm correct, I read that OS6 needs 16 Mb of ROM, and I believe our Ique has 8 Mb of ROM.
If I'm correct, I read that OS6 needs 16 Mb of ROM, and I believe our Ique has 8 Mb of ROM.
reinbeau
07-30-2004, 06:40 PM
I wouldn't care if it was free, I'd pay for it, if it was offered. I think it would be worth it for the multitasking, at the very least. And not to contradict my antlered friend, but I think there's more to the Cobalt upgrade than communications and multitasking. I think the category limit goes out the window (finally) along with the limit on record size and quite a few other improvements, at least that's what been hinted by a few of the good developers out there, like CESD and Jeff of Shadowplan fame. But most likely Garmin will come out with another unit when OS6 is out. I wonder if it will be easier for them WRT the GPS software vs. the Palm OS. The multitasking could benefit the union of the two.
Curious Cat
07-30-2004, 06:51 PM
So which program do you think would benefit most from using Palm 6.0, DateBK5 or Agendus? :D :D
reinbeau
07-30-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Curious Cat
So which program do you think would benefit most from using Palm 6.0, DateBK5 or Agendus? :D :D Bad Cat! Bad! Now go sleep in the shed :p
So which program do you think would benefit most from using Palm 6.0, DateBK5 or Agendus? :D :D Bad Cat! Bad! Now go sleep in the shed :p
Moose Man
07-30-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by reinbeau
...... And not to contradict my antlered friend, but I think there's more to the Cobalt upgrade than communications and multitasking.
I don't know how you can contradict me....because I didn't state there wasn't more to the OS. Here (http://www.palmsource.com/palmos/cobalt.html) is the specs based upon Palmsource.
You are correct that the 15 category rule as been replaced by 255 and you may have another issue with the 16MB ROM requirement for the OS to reside.
Time will tell and I will agree with you that Garmin will probably come out with an OS6 device. This may be the case and since they released the 3200 which is impression-ably not an upgrade.....could we speculate that an OS6 version will be released by the Christmas season 2004?
We can also speculate that Ted Kennedy could've driven Hillary home from Boston but.......
...... And not to contradict my antlered friend, but I think there's more to the Cobalt upgrade than communications and multitasking.
I don't know how you can contradict me....because I didn't state there wasn't more to the OS. Here (http://www.palmsource.com/palmos/cobalt.html) is the specs based upon Palmsource.
You are correct that the 15 category rule as been replaced by 255 and you may have another issue with the 16MB ROM requirement for the OS to reside.
Time will tell and I will agree with you that Garmin will probably come out with an OS6 device. This may be the case and since they released the 3200 which is impression-ably not an upgrade.....could we speculate that an OS6 version will be released by the Christmas season 2004?
We can also speculate that Ted Kennedy could've driven Hillary home from Boston but.......
allgire
07-30-2004, 07:21 PM
That breaking the 15 category thing will be a good one - it's been a thorn in the side for a long time!
Wait - just reading those specs again. Did they port the Pocket PC OS to the Palm?
Just kidding...
Wait - just reading those specs again. Did they port the Pocket PC OS to the Palm?
Just kidding...
reinbeau
07-30-2004, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Moose Man
I don't know how you can contradict me....because I didn't state there wasn't more to the OS. Here (http://www.palmsource.com/palmos/cobalt.html) is the specs based upon Palmsource. Geez, Moose, it's not like I want to disagree with you, it's just that when you said "Cobalt (OS6) will be used primarily on devices that will have network capability and bluetooth. There is very little reason to expect Garmin to update to OS6 when the principle reason behind the uprade would be for connectivity that the Que is not capable of. " I took it to mean that Garmin wouldn't bother because the main reason for Cobalt wouldn't apply to the iQue.
Time will tell and I will agree with you that Garmin will probably come out with an OS6 device. Whew, I was beginning to worry about us :) This may be the case and since they released the 3200 which is impression-ably not an upgrade.....could we speculate that an OS6 version will be released by the Christmas season 2004? We can hope!
We can also speculate that Ted Kennedy could've driven Hillary home from Boston but....... At least Licorice wasn't depending on him...... ;)
I don't know how you can contradict me....because I didn't state there wasn't more to the OS. Here (http://www.palmsource.com/palmos/cobalt.html) is the specs based upon Palmsource. Geez, Moose, it's not like I want to disagree with you, it's just that when you said "Cobalt (OS6) will be used primarily on devices that will have network capability and bluetooth. There is very little reason to expect Garmin to update to OS6 when the principle reason behind the uprade would be for connectivity that the Que is not capable of. " I took it to mean that Garmin wouldn't bother because the main reason for Cobalt wouldn't apply to the iQue.
Time will tell and I will agree with you that Garmin will probably come out with an OS6 device. Whew, I was beginning to worry about us :) This may be the case and since they released the 3200 which is impression-ably not an upgrade.....could we speculate that an OS6 version will be released by the Christmas season 2004? We can hope!
We can also speculate that Ted Kennedy could've driven Hillary home from Boston but....... At least Licorice wasn't depending on him...... ;)
Moose Man
07-30-2004, 09:43 PM
Geez, Moose, it's not like I want to disagree with you, it's just that when you said "Cobalt (OS6) will be used primarily on devices that will have network capability and bluetooth. There is very little reason to expect Garmin to update to OS6 when the principle reason behind the uprade would be for connectivity that the Que is not capable of. " I took it to mean that Garmin wouldn't bother because the main reason for Cobalt wouldn't apply to the iQue.
I'll say this - if Garmin upgrades the Que to OS6 then I think you can kiss another Que device from Garmin goodbye. They would not release a device with OS6 after updating the current Que because of marketing and the desire to increase sales of new units.
Whew, I was beginning to worry about us
Why? Are we having problems? Do you want a divorce? Ok, but I get to keep my 2620 and you can have your Que. :D
You know me, I'm always up for a good debate and conversation so there's nothing to worry about.......unless your still seeing your husband and if that's the case then it's over between us. ;)
I'll say this - if Garmin upgrades the Que to OS6 then I think you can kiss another Que device from Garmin goodbye. They would not release a device with OS6 after updating the current Que because of marketing and the desire to increase sales of new units.
Whew, I was beginning to worry about us
Why? Are we having problems? Do you want a divorce? Ok, but I get to keep my 2620 and you can have your Que. :D
You know me, I'm always up for a good debate and conversation so there's nothing to worry about.......unless your still seeing your husband and if that's the case then it's over between us. ;)
JMckie
07-31-2004, 11:02 AM
I may be suffering from a failure of imagination, but I can't imagine a single improvement that Cobalt's multitasking can provide the iQue in its current configuration (sans wifi and sans bluetooth).
In fact, the larger memory footprint, the likely slower performance, first release instability, and the initial lack of compatible apps would outweigh any benefits, if I could think of any.
In fact, the larger memory footprint, the likely slower performance, first release instability, and the initial lack of compatible apps would outweigh any benefits, if I could think of any.
Bokkie
08-01-2004, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by JMckie
I may be suffering from a failure of imagination, but I can't imagine a single improvement that Cobalt's multitasking can provide the iQue in its current configuration (sans wifi and sans bluetooth).
In fact, the larger memory footprint, the likely slower performance, first release instability, and the initial lack of compatible apps would outweigh any benefits, if I could think of any.
Well said, Joseph. I was looking for reasons why Garmin would not bother switching our iQue to Cobalt, and like you said, it's the absence of potential that negates any advantage switching would offer. As long as they don't hark back to the old days MSDOS 3.1 I'll be happy.;)
I may be suffering from a failure of imagination, but I can't imagine a single improvement that Cobalt's multitasking can provide the iQue in its current configuration (sans wifi and sans bluetooth).
In fact, the larger memory footprint, the likely slower performance, first release instability, and the initial lack of compatible apps would outweigh any benefits, if I could think of any.
Well said, Joseph. I was looking for reasons why Garmin would not bother switching our iQue to Cobalt, and like you said, it's the absence of potential that negates any advantage switching would offer. As long as they don't hark back to the old days MSDOS 3.1 I'll be happy.;)
OWG
08-01-2004, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Moose Man
I'll say this - if Garmin upgrades the Que to OS6 then I think you can kiss another Que device from Garmin goodbye. They would not release a device with OS6 after updating the current Que because of marketing and the desire to increase sales of new units.
You'd think so wouldn't you. But....ahem...iQue 3200? :D
I'll say this - if Garmin upgrades the Que to OS6 then I think you can kiss another Que device from Garmin goodbye. They would not release a device with OS6 after updating the current Que because of marketing and the desire to increase sales of new units.
You'd think so wouldn't you. But....ahem...iQue 3200? :D
Bokkie
08-01-2004, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by OWG
You'd think so wouldn't you. But....ahem...iQue 3200? :D
A step down but not in the right direction. It does have SDIO. Now, is that Garmin's way of 'experimenting' with new technology on the iQue but cunningly marketed as an improvement for a lower model. I mean, would they go back a step to the 3200 (add something new) and get the hardware in place, and then add Cobalt to it later, and then change the case, and then market it as a 3800? mmmm!
You'd think so wouldn't you. But....ahem...iQue 3200? :D
A step down but not in the right direction. It does have SDIO. Now, is that Garmin's way of 'experimenting' with new technology on the iQue but cunningly marketed as an improvement for a lower model. I mean, would they go back a step to the 3200 (add something new) and get the hardware in place, and then add Cobalt to it later, and then change the case, and then market it as a 3800? mmmm!
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