WinMe reinstall.... how to use backed up palm IIIc files now?

[sweets]

I have a problem. A few months back I reinstalled WinMe on my 2nd harddrive after I backed up data onto my primary drive. Then I switched the 2nd hd so that it is now my primary.

Ok.. at that point I realized that my Palm wouldn't sync without resetting up all the Palm Desktop and Outlook programs that I'd been using. I'm having to try to recall all this as it's been awhile. I used Chapura to switch back and forth syncing between the desktop or outlook.

I put up my palm IIIc for awhile and thought I'd figure it out later as I was having trouble figuring out how to sync my Palm again with my reinstalled programs using my same name I'd sync'd with.

Well, the palm gathered dust... then recently I took a few snapshots with the little camera addon, I forget the name, maybe it's a kodak palmpix?

anyway, I really want to back up these pics off my palm now... my programs aren't set up right... am I screwed? I don't want to lose these pics.... but there has got to be a way right?

Can someone tell me what the SOP (standard operating procedure) is because every 6 mnths I have to reinstall the operating system because of all the glitches and bugs I get from downloading and trying so much software. Seems the only way I can get rid of the bugs is to reinstall the op sys. I might go back to win98 because winme could be some of the problem.

So my question is.. how do I save the pics on my palm now.. how do I resync my palm after a reinstall of operating system and using backed up palm files? please, please someone help... I want to start using my palm again so bad.

[DrMud]

I think we have too many issues in this post.:confused:

Lets just get the pics off the Palm. The files can be beamed to another palm that does have less dust and a real hotsync relationship.
At some point you will need the Palm Pix software again to load to your PC. Find the software!

YOu will need to install OutLook, and the PalmDesktop, Hotsync manager and Pocket Mirror (Chapura) on the PC. Or reinitialize the path to the 2nd drive. Let fdo that later. Find the friendly person with the palm to beam your files.
DrMud

[Alan Wil]

Get rid of "ME".


(You went from Win98 to "ME"?... Why?)



Go On Ebay and get XP PRO (NOT the home version)



If you have to re-install everything every 6 months that should tell you something.



TIP: Once you do a fresh install of OS, make a copy of your primary partititon, then mark it hidden.... If you primary later on goes "bad"... Just restore the primary using the copy you marked hidden using Partiiton Magic or similar program.


I would highly recommend you partitton your hard drive with applications (And Especially DATA) separate from the OS.

If you put your apps on D drive, when you do a restore you won't have to re-confiqure anything.


C: OS
D: Applications
E: Games
F: Downloads
G: Data - MOST IMPORTANT IS DATA.... That APS make... Cannot be replaced...

OS and aps can be re-installed....



PS: Mark Your cd-rom /dvd that you install apps from as Z: drive....


That way the cd-rom/dvd letter does not change if you add or delete partitions.


Most apps get confused if you install them from D: drive and then later an a partition OR second hard drive as this changes the drive lettters.

[DrMud]

Alan has made a number of good suggestions.
As to 98 or XP I'm not in total agreement. Win98 SE is a fairly decent OS with a lot less size than XP. If size is an issue on your hard drive then you need to consider that aspect.
I run XP Home on my wife's computer and when I loaded the Palm DeskTop and PocketMirror I had Zero problems.
Later when I did the same to an equally new computer running XP Pro I encountered the USB issue that many have experienced.

Alan's recommendations regarding partitioning are wise, I encourage you to follow it if at all possible.
Doc

[Alan Wil]

DrMud makes some good points.


The main point I was trying to make is if the man has WinME to drop ME like a hot potato. It would save him a bunch of grief in a lot of areas, Not just Palm stuff...


I guess I should have added the info about Win98SE DrMud points out.

Win98 SE is basically a product improved Win95/98 with all the patches and bug fixes.... So yes it would be a good choice for most home users, espeically ones that are into games and have to have a USB connection. THe footprint and system requirements are a lot less than XP PRO I admit.

I also agree that XP PRO is more "pickey".


WinME is... Well let me say a bastard* child... I wouldn't take the time to install ME.


I'm Currently using XP PRO and Palm desktop 4.1 /PocketMirror PRO 3.0.2...


But I running a serial connection, Not a USB.


I haven't got to the "Palm/USB bridge yet.... I'm new to this Palm Stuff...


DrMud.... Is there a USB patch out that address those issues you were talking about?



XP Pro for me works very well.

XP PRo is very stable as an MS Windows OS. (WIN98 SE would lock up on a semi-regular basis)



I'm real picky about installing anything. Of course I don't go installing every app and plug in that comes down the pipeline...


You sort of get that way when you have to re-install WinDoze and it takes you "days" to re-config everything. I've done it quite a few times.


I am amazed at the amount of persons that install their OS/APS/Games/Downloads/Data on the same parition and then cry the blues when the OS goes bad...

DATA and OS on same partition.... That's just ASKING for trouble.

Doing so is like pulling the pin out of a handgrende and then trying not to go to sleep...


Sooner or later you go to sleep.. and poof.... All gone.


If you running Windows, its not a question of "IF" the OS will crash and take everything with it... It's more like "when"...

Hope this helps.


Alan... One of your fellow MS OS software beta testers....

[DrMud]

I agree that the Windows OS is prone to corruption. It is a bit like your garage. You start with a nice clean usable space and in a few years the whole area is made useless. I believe that in their publications MS has suggested reinstalling on a regular schedule.

Once I got the hang of Administrative authority and the new USB drivers from Palm.com all has been cool.
Doc

[Alan Wil]

DrMud...

Re-formatting and re-installing is MS's cure for everything!

[janjan]

Originally posted by DrMud

At some point you will need the Palm Pix software again to load to your PC. Find the software!



Go here (http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/software/palmPix/new/palmPixSoftware.jhtml) for the Kodal Palm pix prog.

[sweets]

Sincerely! thanks so much for the replies and suggestions. I'm impressed that you all managed to make some sense of my muddled up questions!

I am compiling your responses so that I can reread them several times and try to digest what needs to be done before I attempt to go through the steps to tackle this.

Some people seem to be really good at keeping their OS cleaned up, by continuously deleting files as they become useless and cluttersome. I seem to let it go till it's becomes a problem and my OS starts complaining and getting buggy. ... I sort of live with the problems till it gets horrid.. for example, I've been without 'sound' now for 3 months or more! I could blame it all on WinME but I've just got bad habits or so I've been told by my wellmeaning fiance. (He is a help to some extent but wants nothing to do with my Palm since he's not into such 'gadgets'.. funny how he picks on me about it but on a trip to Paris this past Easter he sure kept asking me to "check your palm" and it came is so very handy he had to admit) I went from 98 to ME because I thought it was an UPGRADE... well... I really don't know if it was... doesn't Sound like it! So anyway, I know my bad habits.. and Alan Wils suggestion of the partitions is something I'm definately wanting to try this time around , could be the lifesaver I very well need!

DrMud, that's a very good idea that maybe I could save the pics by beaming them.. (wow, never have beamed before! :) I have one relative that has a palm... he rarely uses it... would he have to have the same picture program loaded in his palm for me to beam him the pics? My other concern is that he's told me previously that since it was given to him from his plant job that he isn't allowed to put personal prog's on it. If he doesnt' have to have the prog installed, I wonder if he could just load them to his pc and email them to me as they are in jpeg form.. hmmm.. would that work?

Oh, and it IS a kodak cam btw, and I do have the software for it (thanks for the link though, I'll check it out as it may have some updates! :)

Ok, off I go to read your responses again and again.. brainstorm/ try to refresh my memory of all things PALM... and boy do I hope to learn something from this experiance so that I can better learn how to manage my dear palm.... yall are great and big thanks for the help and replies!

[DrMud]

Your camera is a Kodax Palm Pix. Prior to beaming the pictures to the other Palm you can beam the PalmPix software. The friend will need to install the software from Kodax (link provided) to his PC to enable the conduit. After he moves your files to the PC all the PalmPix software can be deleted from the Palm and the PC.
Doc

[Alan Wil]

Sweets,


Don't feel bad about being suckered into thinking ME was an upgrade... A lot of people probably did the same. MS "wanted" you to think it was an upgrade. (MS = Microsoft)

(Sounds like you really do need to look into partitioning your hard drive... By the way it's EASY to do with Partition Magic, You can make a back up of your primary partition, and when your system starts running slow, It takes 5 minutes to have everything FRESH again... Compare this with DAYS of re-installing, re-booting and re-configuring!)


If you do upgrade your OS here is some info: This is from memory so if I don't get ALL the facts exactly right don't flame me... (To tell you the truth I'm Sleepy, I need to go back to bed.)...



1: XP PRO is the best OS from MS currently (Would be the most compatible with hardware and apps... Keep in mind this is an Window NT type operating system) It is an NT based OS but has the most current versions of everything that is available. Designed to be sort of like Windows 98 SE in that it is a hell of lot more "user/hardware/ application friendly" than the "earlier versions" of NT!

2: XP home (Lite version form of Pro... Does NOT have all the features of PRO.. One downside of "HOME" version is you have to register with MS within something like 30-60 days OR the thing stops working!... Additionally if you upgrade your system often you have to call up MS and BEG for the registration code again. &#$*#@#&@^ ) Same thing if you re-format your hard drive.. You have to BEG for the code again..


The above two are the most current Windows NT type operating systems. Besides being more stable that Win95/98, they are far more secure than Windows 95/ 98 from a security standpoint as well.



Here is the reason NT does not crash like 95/98:


In windows 95/98 when you click on an icon (or an application puts in a request to perform an operation) The OS immediately complies... This can cause problems... Especially if you have allot of stuff running at the same time...

(This is sort of like I'm the Boss (The request) and I tell you (The OS) to rub your belly, and pat your head, while riding a bicycle, and flying a kite, while taking a bath, etc. As you can see you might get confused while trying to do all these things at the same time!)


In an NT based system there is something called and "Hardware Abstraction Layer"..... What this is means is ANY request made by you OR an application has to go through the "Hardware Abstraction Layer" before it reaches the core OS....


(So if the BOSS tells you to do ALL the above... It first goes to the "Hardware Abstraction Layer" which is sort of like a traffic cop... He only lets the request go through in an orderly fashion.... He doesn't let them go through ALL at the same time as the Windows 95/98 systems do.)

Since there if NO traffic cop in Windows/98... the OS itself is at the mercy of any and all requests... If an application crashes it has a good chance of crashing the OS as well.


In NT the traffic cop doesn't let the application get to the OS directly so the OS itself is protected from such actions.

This is why the NT based OS are much more stable that 95/98.

But, this can create problems for some hardware (Video cars for the most part) as some hardware's software is written to be directly controlled by the OS. Most manufactures are writing software drivers for XP stuff these days so this should not be a big issue anymore.

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Another good point about NT is the file system is more robust than 95/98 also.... The NT based systems were designed with corporate users in mind (Businesses)
The Windows 98 OS is an consumer grade OS....


The big difference Between Win95/98 and NT is when a business that has 300 billion dollars worth of info in their system and it crashes.... They are NOT going to be happy... And allot of money is going to be lost.

If your running Win95/98 at home.... and it crashes.... Well it won't really matter much.


If you really have data worth keeping you should be been running XP..


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Here are the NT based choices.. As you go down the list they become less and less user /hardware/ application friendly. You have to check your hardware/software to make sure it is compatible ...

1: XP PRO
2: XP Home (lite version of PRO)

3: Windows 2000 PRO
4: Windows 2000

5. NT Workstation 4.0

6 NT Workstation 3.51


One last thing... It was mentioned that you may want to run 98 instead of XP because of hard disk space... For most people this is a moot point as hard drives even in the past few years have plenty of room on them.

The major thing would be you do have to run more RAM with XP than 98... And you have to check to see if your hardware will run on XP.


PS: another advantage of partitioning you hard drive is faster defrag /scan disk times... If you have all you stuff on a 20gig+ hard drive it takes forever to do these operations. All the longer it takes mean the better chance for the application to crash and cause data loss.



You can get XP PRO off of Ebay pretty cheap. I remember I got Workstation 4.0 for $75 a few years ago.

You can also get Partition Magic for pretty cheap also... MAKE SURE to try to get the most current version... It would be best to go to their website to see what the most current version is.... v7.0? Partial updates are still free I think... So make sure if the current version is say v7.5 to get v7.0.

If you say got v4.0 you could not upgrade it to V7.++ without paying them more money. I think you'd need v 7.++ if you got XP because the file system of XP has been changed (improved) over older versions of NT based OS.


Hope this helps someone.

Alan

Beta MS software tester from day one....

[Alan Wil]

Sweets,


Sorry about assuming you were a "man" in one of my previous posts.. (Had a 50/50 chance on that one....)

I would assume you are a women since you have a fiance?





I have nothing against women... If fact I LIKE them VERY much.


Without women it wouldn't be worth living!