Updates for new Ique

[bamb_i]

Since I got the last Ique with Setup CD V 2.07 and City Select V6, I was wondering what are the applicable upadates for the new Ique. I could figure that it needed the r3 patch 1, which i did.

Now I see that it has both the versions of GrmSystem - v2.0 and also V3.0. I wanted to delete the old version through delete, but could see only one GrmSystem through the delete menu. Tried FileZ which also lists only 1 GrmSystem file. But under version menu, it shows both !! :confused:

Also how do I check my version of MapInstall / Track conduit /
Transfer Waypoints / Voice Guidance Backup ???? :(

Thanks

[apersson850]

If you do the patch upgrade, then you'll have two versions of the file you refer to. One is the original, one is updated by the patch. Since the original is in flash memory (ROM), it can't be deleted.
If you set FileZ to show also ROM files, you'll see it, but you still can't remove it.

When there are two versions of files, the most recent takes precedence. That's how they can update things with a patch, which doesn't overwrite the "real" file in flash memory. That also explains why a hard reset cancels the patch. You have to install it again, after such a reset.

The PC programs are checked on the PC. The procedure is different for different programs. MapInstall, for example, reveals its version number when you start it.

[bamb_i]

Thank you Anders

So I gather that all of us who have updated the pathch have both the files? Wasteof precious ROM memory if you ask me.

[apersson850]

Hardly.
But a waste of precious RAM, yes.

[CinderK]

For those of you who may consider the patch results as a waste of memory, remember that we are not forced to install the patch. If your RAM is so critically low that the patched version of GrmSystem, etc. is too big a sacrifice, perhaps some system house-cleaning could help. The current patch really doesn't contain anything too critical, unless you need to be formatting 1 GB cards in the iQue. Basically, if the negatives of the patch (small space sacrifice) outweigh the positives (things it fixes) in your eyes, then this means it is not worth it to you, and you should not install the patch.

CinderK

[rafgoor]

I was told that you need to re-install the patch after a reset (because it is a patch and is stored in RAM).
About what reset are we talking (every reset, soft reset, hard reset, ...)?

[si4xp]

Only after hard reset, as it deletes the RAM.

[bamb_i]

Originally posted by CinderK
For those of you who may consider the patch results as a waste of memory, remember that we are not forced to install the patch. If your RAM is so critically low that the patched version of GrmSystem, etc. is too big a sacrifice, perhaps some system house-cleaning could help. The current patch really doesn't contain anything too critical, unless you need to be formatting 1 GB cards in the iQue. Basically, if the negatives of the patch (small space sacrifice) outweigh the positives (things it fixes) in your eyes, then this means it is not worth it to you, and you should not install the patch.

CinderK

I see your point CinderK. However I suppose everyone wants to have their system uptodate with the latest updates, without really being FORCED to.

But my contention is that after the new patch is installed, one should be able to delete the oleder version. There is no point in having both the versions sitting on your memory, however little space they may occupy. If such be the case all future upgrade patch would result in having the old patches remain in your memory. And with just about 22 mb of actually usable RAM, it does not look to much of available memory for programs which has to use RAM space and not the SD card.

To me it does not really make sense to have currently useless codes sitting in the memory, unless they too provide any computational support. Which brings up the moot question. Is the old patch still useful?

[reinbeau]

Originally posted by bamb_i
I see your point CinderK. However I suppose everyone wants to have their system uptodate with the latest updates, without really being FORCED to.

But my contention is that after the new patch is installed, one should be able to delete the oleder version. There is no point in having both the versions sitting on your memory, however little space they may occupy. If such be the case all future upgrade patch would result in having the old patches remain in your memory. And with just about 22 mb of actually usable RAM, it does not look to much of available memory for programs which has to use RAM space and not the SD card.

To me it does not really make sense to have currently useless codes sitting in the memory, unless they too provide any computational support. Which brings up the moot question. Is the old patch still useful? No one is 'forcing' you to do anything. You don't have to have the patch at all unless you've had problems formatting a 1 gig card, or if you just like to have the latest and greatest on your handheld.

As for deleting the older verion, you can't, because it's in ROM. The official R4 to be issued sometime in the future will include the patch, then the problem goes away. The patch file in RAM takes precedence over the file in ROM; the fact that it's in RAM is why you have to reinstall if you suffer a hard reset. There is no functionalty used from the older ROM based file once the RAM file is in place.

[bamb_i]

Thank you Ann

As I had also said...nobody 'forces' anyone to update. I guess I am just one of those who would like to have the latest and greatest :) - and I had missed the point that this update is only useful with 1 GB cards. I also now realise that all updates are not really necessary.
I am still waiting for the prices of 1 gb cards to drop further.

Guess will have to wait for the release 4 to take care of this issue. Any idea about when they might release it?

[apersson850]

As now everyone (?) has understood, once they get a "real" firmware out, it includes the old patches. Then you don't need to bother about them anymore.
The thing, for Garmin, is that they can release a patch, without the time-consuming liasion work with Palm. Since the patch goes away if you do a hard reset, they don't consider it (potentially) harmful.
But when a full-flegded new firmware comes out the door, then Palm has some say-so about how it works.
So a patch is a way to keep us updated without doing too much work, at Garmin. A way to keep things reasonable.

Apart from formatting 1 GB cards, there was some issue about the clock application not hiding private events in this latest patch as well. And... I've forgot the third thing.

[Bee_sqare]

...the current track became visible in daylight mode.