wayQue 1.5 beta - Now available for testing

[RVRodie]

wayQue provides a tool to manage the Garmin iQue 3600 waypoints stored in the Address File. Waypoints stored in the Address File are drawn by QueMap. This tool allows the waypoints to be turned off, individually or by category. Waypoints may also be selectively moved to a new category, deleted, or assigned a new Waypoint Symbol.

Version 1.5 Changes:

Added Waypoint Symbol display/update.
Added Edit menu item to change Waypoint Symbol for selected records.

As always, be sure to have a backup of your address file before testing.

You can now find wayQue at my website. (http://software.blairkids.com/palm_pages/wayQue.html)

[RVRodie]

You can thank Ann for suggesting updating of Waypoint Symbols. I hadn't used that feature of the Address Book, and such a feature never occurred to me.

[JMckie]

I thought I was the one who asked for the updating of waypoint symbols. :)

See the third post here (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54842)

Anyhow, thanks for implementing it so promptly.

[RVRodie]

Oops:rolleyes:

Your are correct. Ann's post was the last one that stuck in my feeble mind.

[apersson850]

You see, Joseph, the trick is to make people listen when you talk. Otherwise, you end up as a politician. :D

[z06at]

Works beautifully with my iQue. Thanks!

[babybackpackers]

WOW this program is getting better every day! I love the waypoint option. The only thing I would like to see is more Geocaching icons. IE multi-cache, vitual cache, locationless cache, ect.. This would make me very very happy. :)

[RVRodie]

The waypoint icons that Garmin has implemented in the iQue is a selection of the universe of icons available across their product line.

While I could create additional icons that would display in wayQue, they would not appear in QueMap. There doesn't seem to be any point to this.

I chose my list of icons based on what could be selected from the address book application. Look at the
Garmin Interface Specification (www.garmin.com/support/pdf/iop_spec.pdf ) . It has considerablely more named symbols (Section 7.4.9. Symbol_Type, p 33). Not sure if some of these additional symbols would appear as icons in QueMap.

Any ideas?

[apersson850]

I tried another thing. When loading some tiles from MG USA v4, I could see POI's showing car wreckage services. They are represented by an icon, looking like a tiny tow truck, when using QueMap. But if I save this icon as a waypoint, it gets transformed into the universal waypoint dot symbol.
There are several other icons too, which aren't available for waypoints. This was only one example.

So it seems that the necessary graphic definition files are there, in the iQue, but they are limited to displaying icons associated with POI's. Why they've imposed this limit is way beyond my imagination, but my wife and daughters keep telling me that I neither know, nor understand, very much, so it's probably as it should be. :rolleyes:

[RVRodie]

I suspected that this might be the case.

To find and test more icons would require looking thru the POI display for missing icons. Then trying to figure out which symbol it is in the Garmin Interface Specification. That would provide the decimal code for the symbol. Convert that to hex, add a 'B' prefix, then manually enter the new symbol code into custom field 4 of the address book. Then see if it displays correctly on QueMap, and hope the address book doesn't undo the change.

To modify custom field 4, use wayQue to turn off the waypoint. This will allow it to be modified in the address book.

If anyone finds any, post them here.

[RVRodie]

In trying to do the above test, a problem in the address file turned up.

I added an address entry for Wrecker, and it sorted to the front of the file. In fact, every new entry I tried sorted to the front of the file. The same process on the Palm Desktop worked fine. I deleted the iQue AddressDB using FileZ, changed HotSync to 'desktop overwrites palm' for Address Book, then did a HotSync. Problem corrected.

I have no idea how long ago, or what exactly introduced this problem (although wayQue is the prime suspect). Has anybody else seen this?

ps. Did complete the test of the Wrecker symbol. It did not show up correctly on QueMap. Looks like the codes in the address book are restricted to the list that can be selected.

[RVRodie]

Found PRCExplorer (http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/prcexplorer.shtml) , which allows a peek into prc resource files. It works well on wayQue, and you can see all the new icons I created.

I tried to look into x2clib.prc to see what Garmin was up to with icons, but it doesn't seem to work. Only shows three small resources, even though it is a 289k file. It is in ROM on the iQue.

This is all water under the bridge, but I was curious to see if there was a way to access the Garmin icons directly, rather than recreating them.

[tefster]

Hi,

I finally got around to flashing my iQue up to release 3, and putting on the 3.1 and API.1 patches. After doing a few tests of other apps I moved up to wayQue 1.5 from v1.2

I found a problem though in that an Address book category with a large number of waypoint-disabled address entries (circa 4000) seems to make 1.5 lock up completely when I select the category, and I need to pin-reset the iQue. The addresses have waypoint data in their -4 fields but the waypoint data has been disabled (via wayQue).

I rolled back to wayQue 1.2 and that handles the category without any problems.

[RVRodie]

:eek:

Version 1.5 uses internal memory to control table selection and look-up features. You have exceeded the 64k maximum memory chunk request, and I did not protect against this. What to do . :confused:

I could reduce the look-up from 10 char to 5 char. That will push the limit up to about 7k records. Further, I could break the table up into multiple chunks to push it out to a 12k record limit.

In any event, I will put in protection for a memory allocation failure, so you won't face a lockup.

Since I wrote this for my own amusement, my view of the address book maxed out at about 500.:rolleyes:

I will post a version 1.5a for you to test in the next day or two.

Any other ideas?

[RVRodie]

tefster,

Try Version 1.5a, attached. It is a quick fix that implements what I discussed above. I haven't decided exactly what the final version should look like, but let me know if this fixes your problem.

Unless you have more than 4k address book entries, there is no need for anyone else to download this version.

Version 1.5a has been deleted. Get the current version at the top of this thread.

[tefster]

Ta for looking into this so quickly.

I tried the new beta, and I do get the Maximum Exceeded error message rather than a lockup :)

I was a bit under on my estimate of the category size, it has 4987 records. I'd imagine 7k records would be more than enough for most people.

[RVRodie]

Try this one. I missed something in version 1.5a, that kept the actual max to the previous limit.

This change should increase the max to about 10k.

I don't have a good way to test this out, so will have to rely on your efforts.

Version 1.5b is now the current version. Get it at the top of this thread.

[tefster]

Thanks for the second quick fix. I haven't had a chance to test it out as unfortunately my iQue isn't in the same area as my Cradle at the moment, I should be able to test it out over the weekend though.

[tefster]

I reunited my iQue with its cradle earlier than I thought, and just tested out 1.5b. It all seems fine, I picked the category with the large number of records, and toggled waypoint information on and off a few times :)

[George74]

I know I'm probably being a bit of a muppet here but I just installed wayque for the first time and found I had no route to button. So I've installed the api patch and it's still not working.

Does anyone know what I can do ?

Thanks

[strumble]

Highlight one waypoint and the 'routing' icon appears.

[George74]

Ahhhh in that case I am a muppet I was hoping that I could select a group of waypoints and get wayQue to create a route from it with last waypoint being the end of the route.

[strumble]

There has been a complete thread on creating a route for/in the iQue recently.

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54890


I have after 16 months of iQue use, only just managed to create the routes in the iQue by the using this method.

After installing CitySelect v7 I had to re-create all my saved routes!!!!!!! So I'm pretty good at it now!

[marksmac]

I'm very new to the 3600 - had it for 2 days, it locks up sometimes, but comes back after a reset. I love it. I would love to try your program to manage my waypoints - how does one install it?

[RVRodie]

Download the zip file at the top of this thread. Unzip the file. Doubleclick the wayQue.prc file. This will launch the palm installer and prep wayQue for the next Hotsysnc. After you hotsync, you should find wayQue in the unfiled applications menu.

Welcome to the world of the iQue.

[paulj1x]

Very nice program!

I was curious, does turning off the waypoints speed up the redrawing of the display? Does anybody have either quantitative or qualitative data?

paul

[RVRodie]

Slow drawing was one of the reasons I wrote wayQue. We started geocaching, and ended up with lots of waypoints clustered in a small area. That definitely slowed down map drawing.

[paulj1x]

If you have lots of waypoints (hundreds) but none of them are on the current screen is the redrawing still slowed down?

paul

[RVRodie]

I don't think so, but it might. Try timing some map draws with all waypoints on, then off. Both for areas that contain waypoints, and areas that don't. Post your results.

[marksmac]

Waypoint sure looks neat - but -- how is it useful? I was expecting to press a name and have the GPS come on and take me there?

[marksmac]

Originally posted by marksmac
Waypoint sure looks neat - but -- how is it useful? I was expecting to press a name and have the GPS come on and take me there?

Follow-up. My Waypoint has a red-line through it, and
no matter what I do, I can't make it activate the GPS, any ideas?

[RVRodie]

The GPS comes on when you open the antenna.

A red line means the waypoint is turned off, and won't draw on the map. Tap it to turn it on. If you select one waypoint (tap name), a route button will appear. Tap it to route to the waypoint.

Take a look at the readme file. It explains some of this.

[apersson850]

What is asked for here is just as well (or often better) handled by the built-in find application.
The idea with wayQue is not primarily to take you to a waypoint, even if it will do that too.

[marksmac]

Originally posted by RVRodie
The GPS comes on when you open the antenna.

A red line means the waypoint is turned off, and won't draw on the map. Tap it to turn it on. If you select one waypoint (tap name), a route button will appear. Tap it to route to the waypoint.

Take a look at the readme file. It explains some of this.

Hanging my head in shame, I read the doc again, I had to download
the Garmin API library stuff - then Waypoints worked WayCool!
Garmin should put your program in by default!!!

[RVRodie]

Even I had forgotten about the API lib. Next version will have a warning at startup so others don't make the same mistake.

[J Harris]

Is there away to transfer en-mass Cachemate's GPX downloads (from GeoCaching.com) from the Cachemate program into the Palm Address DB? After downloading 300 files it is quite intensive to select each one and go through the six steps to map them each into the address DB so they can then be looked at by WayQue. Unless I missed it, WayQue only looks at the Palm Address DB to turn on/off waypoints on the maps, correct?

Thanks,

[JMckie]

En masse transfer:

1) Convert the GPX file to PDB using CM2GPX Windows utility, available from the Cachemate web page. Install the resultant PDB using the install tool. Hotsync.

2) (If you have the appropriate plugin, it's been a while since I installed and I don't remember if you even need one) select the "Ex" button. This will import the whole Cachemate db directly to the addressbook. Set the category as appropriate.

[J Harris]

I appreciate your quick response. I have the converter installed and get the conversion to PDB. However after hotsync, when I go to Cachemate, I only get the options of :

1: Database - "default (417)"
2: Category - several, but not palm address book

I don't see anything with an "ex". Maybe the pluggin is what I'll have to find.

Thanks,

[RVRodie]

The plugin you need is distributed with Cachemate. It is the iQueMapping.prc file. Just click to install.

When you opened Cachemate on the iQue, it should have imported the GPX data automatically, to the default database. If you can see the waypoints displayed in Cachemate, you are halfway there.

Once you install the plugin, the EX button should show up, then select the iQue for export.

You should also have CacheNav installed. Outdoor Navigator is also a nice alternative to CacheNav.

[J Harris]

Unbelievable. I had all the software installed but just didn't know the procedure for Exporting them into the Address book. Thanks for taking the time to walk me through it. This will obviously save me tons of time.

All the Best!

[RVRodie]

Version 1.5e has been posted. Corrects an obscure bug in waypoint lookup, cleans up route-to user interface, and warns of missing API lib.

For those that want the way/noway buttons to only work on selected records, that is now a preference option.

[si4xp]

RVRodie
Is it possible for you to fix the lookup to at least 15 characters? Many POI names are long and would need higher lookup charcters to zero in. I am trying to use FastFinger scripts with wayQue to route to POIs with long and similar names - see attached. Unfotunately, FF's waypoint feature doesn't help with such POIs as the FF button cannot display the name completely.

[RVRodie]

I'll take a look at it, however, I reduced the lookup length because others ran into problems with the maximum number of waypoints allowed.

To do this right, I need to get away from using internal memory tables (with a 64k limit), and switch to a temporary database with no storage constraints. Part of the learning curve.

[SYD119]

Originally posted by JMckie
En masse transfer:

1) Convert the GPX file to PDB using CM2GPX Windows utility, available from the Cachemate web page. Install the resultant PDB using the install tool. Hotsync.

2) (If you have the appropriate plugin, it's been a while since I installed and I don't remember if you even need one) select the "Ex" button. This will import the whole Cachemate db directly to the addressbook. Set the category as appropriate.

I am having just a little bit of a problem get this to work. I ended up just trying GSAK, and I have successfully made the pdb file, but when I hotsync, I still don't get the waypoints on the 3600? Needing a little help here.