GPS 10 Review - OT (For "ON" Topic)

[OWG]

You can view it here. (http://dealers.datasym.com/pdf/pics/gps10review.htm)

Updates will be posted in this thread as they occur. Feedback is most welcome!

[OWG]

Questions from the Palm side, moved here now:


Originally posted by JMkie

Some questions:
- Do you have another bluetooth device, like headsets, that you can try while the GPS is active?

- Can you describe in detail the daily GPS connection routine? For example on the iQue it is: 1) insert in cradle, 2) power on, 3) insert external antenna connector

- Would Mapopolis for PPC run on it?

- If you have a Palm device with BT, can it pair with the GPS 10 and will an NMEA app such as Mapopolis for Palm run?


Answers (as best I can anyways):

I have a bluetooth headset, but had not paired it to the iPaq. Instead, yesterday while I was driving home, I BT'd a phone number to dial from my iPaq to the phone while the GPS was running. It worked just fine. I will try the headset at a later date.

The daily GPS connection is none. I am leaving the GPS 10 in the rear window of the car all the time. I get in the car put my iPaq in the cradle turn it on (I have BT always running on the iPaq now), run the Que app. It takes a few seconds for the BT connection to start, then the Que App does a search on the com port, then it is Acquiring Satellites.

I can't think of a reason it wouldn't work. Unfortunately I don't have a BT enabled Palm. If you do, I will be at the Canadian Auto Show on Tuesday, and you're welcome to try it :) .

[OWG]

Going to do that, just need the time .

More info, I just went out to the car and the GPS 10 was still flashing away. So, I think my last setting was not the right one . The flashing means it is still running, not powering down. Since the documentation that includes the sensor config just came out, I need to go read it. Maybe that will help some .

As far as my "first lock" is concerned, the first contact the GPS 10 had with the sky was the walk to the car (if you can count that, it was in my closed hand, and about 15-20 seconds in the rear window.

Update to this. I connected the GPS 10 to the notebook again today and found out a little more. The "Auto Power On" check box does do something. Turns out that the default size of the config window is smaller than it should be. If you don't maximize or drag it bigger it looks like this:

http://dealers.datasym.com/pdf/pics/snsrcfg2.jpg

If you maximize or drag the window you see this:

http://dealers.datasym.com/pdf/pics/expanded-snsrcfg.jpg

The "Auto Power On" check box enables "External Power-On". "Idle link Power-Off" sets the "Auto-Off" field.

My head hurts. Everything is working perfectly now though :) !

[rkevwill]

This is good stuff OWG. Its good to have a Guinea Pig to test this stuff. Especially one that has a Knowledge of GPS, Palm, and PPC's.

Wonder about one thing. How would it work, if you wanted to walk around, in a new city for example. How do you think you would carry both the GPS, and the PPC, and where would you put the GPS? considering its size, and reception.

One would think the M5 and the 3600 would be better for this, but fact is, if you let it turn off, and you keep turning it back on, the 3600's battery WILL run down after a bit. Not to mention, additional time finding a new signal.

[JGB]

For those tempted to take a hike with the the GPS10 in their pocket just make sure it isn't next to your wallet - wipe out the data on those credit cards in a flash. Wonder if the magnet would have any effect on a car remote if the two mingled in your pocket??? I for one plan to try and stay vigilant but the darn thing is so easy to just stash in a pocket.

On the other hand, that metal plate in my head may finally come in handy...


JB

[OWG]

Originally posted by JGB
For those tempted to take a hike with the the GPS10 in their pocket just make sure it isn't next to your wallet - wipe out the data on those credit cards in a flash. Wonder if the magnet would have any effect on a car remote if the two mingled in your pocket??? I for one plan to try and stay vigilant but the darn thing is so easy to just stash in a pocket.

On the other hand, that metal plate in my head may finally come in handy...


JB

LOL, that is good! This thing is small and not too heavy. I have thought about in a backpack pocket or that zippered spot where the hood goes on a windbreaker. Even better would be a jacket that has a small pocket on the upper sleeve. The best part about the GPS 10 is that once you find where you are going to stash it away, you can take out your PPC as necessary and the signal will always be there. When Geocaching with the iQue or the iPaq/cfQue, you had to have the thing out the whole hike in order to keep your fix. You know how hard it is to re-acquire when you are under foliage...

[rkevwill]

Maybe I can find one of my old cups from football. (yes Bokkie, we do have REAL football over here in the colonies) Back in the old days, the cups were metal. Might look a bit strange walking around that way.

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
This is good stuff OWG. Its good to have a Guinea Pig to test this stuff. Especially one that has a Knowledge of GPS, Palm, and PPC's.

Wonder about one thing. How would it work, if you wanted to walk around, in a new city for example. How do you think you would carry both the GPS, and the PPC, and where would you put the GPS? considering its size, and reception.

One would think the M5 and the 3600 would be better for this, but fact is, if you let it turn off, and you keep turning it back on, the 3600's battery WILL run down after a bit. Not to mention, additional time finding a new signal.

I haven't tested yet, but I think it may work well right from a jacket pocket.

[rkevwill]

So it will work through fabric then? I don't know why I thought it needed a clear sight, without obstruction. Perhaps the leaves thing made me think that.

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
So it will work through fabric then? I don't know why I thought it needed a clear sight, without obstruction. Perhaps the leaves thing made me think that.

I don't think fabric is a problem. After all the housing for the receiver is plastic, right?

[rkevwill]

Ahh yes, but its this very secret plastic, with Millions of tiny worm holes built in, for the sat evil waves to leak through. (my turn to have beer tonight)

[OWG]

Well, it may be your turn, but I am again anyways so pfffttt!

[alexcue]

can the gps10 and the iQue (software) coexist peacefully on the same computer?

[Bokkie]

Yes.

But be aware that they snarl and hiss at each other. I thought it was hdd noise until I listened closer.

[alexcue]

ahh Bokkie, see i'm looking for your humor everywhere.

Thanks for the positive feedback

[JGB]

Originally posted by Bokkie
Yes.

But be aware that they snarl and hiss at each other. I thought it was hdd noise until I listened closer.


Bokkie - I think it's time to stop the buzzing inside your head!!



:rolleyes:

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by JGB
Bokkie - I think it's time to stop the buzzing inside your head!!



:rolleyes:

The buzzing is very real. The showdown on my desktop is like Alien .v. Predator.

[OWG]

OK, tried a few more things today. First, I tried a trip with the GPS 10 on the roof of my car. I put it there while in a parking lot and freaked somone out as I drove off with it there :p . Attached is a screen cap of the reception. Very good indeed.

Second I went geocaching for the first time with the GPS 10. This truly is the first time: 1) I didn't look geeky with my PDA out in the forest and 2) actually got to really enjoy the walk to its fullest. I was on the Niagara escarpment and there was a person paragliding off the side, spectacular!

I accomplished these two things by placing the GPS 10 in a side pocket of my backpack. I kept my iPaq in my jacket pocket (on) and only pulled it out to check location periodically. I regret that I didn't check GPS info screen on this trek and take a screen cap. I assume it was getting a good reception though as it led me right to the cache location. I am looking forward to a PPC version of the SNSRCFG utility though, as in cache situations it would be nice to be able to turn off the power saving. That way, I could simply turn off the iPaq and turn on only when needed. Not a huge deal as the battery life of the iPaq is more than acceptable (especially when it dims the screen), but it would be a nice little touch to an already great device.

[Bokkie]

I noticed the accuracy is only marginally improved above that that you got inside the car. Seems inside is good enough. Rat, have you tried seeing if reception is possible if it is hidden inside a storage pocket/cupboard?

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by rkevwill
...yes Bokkie, we do have REAL football over here in the colonies...

That's reassuring to know that you've held onto something traditional. I don't really care for soccer myself and I prefer the oval ball game, rugby, instead.

[OWG]

Originally posted by Bokkie
I noticed the accuracy is only marginally improved above that that you got inside the car. Seems inside is good enough. Rat, have you tried seeing if reception is possible if it is hidden inside a storage pocket/cupboard?

It will attempt reception from the glove box on the way home ;) . Check back tonight, although it will be very late in Bokkie-land.

[Bokkie]

It's never too late in Bokkie land. I think I need to get out more.:(

BTW, I noticed there are subtle differences in the screens used on the GPS 10 and cfQue. The apps look the same but the icons and other graphic elements appear different. I'm not sure if that is because the different PDAs account for it, or if the two identical version numbers of the software are in fact different under the hood?

[OWG]

OK, I forgot to put it in the glovebox on the way home, but....I tried it there after I got home. Screen caps are from the comfort of my driveway.

First, on the dash right above the glovebox. Now Keep in mind, my driveway doesn't have the best reception, half the sky is blocked by the house (you can see which side ;) ).

[OWG]

And here is in the glovebox. Please not that above the glovebox is the passenger airbag.

[rkevwill]

So OWG, Based on what you are saying, and placing the gps10 itself, sticking this thing in a pocket of a jacket, or in a backback, should still give it a pretty good signal. And with it on pretty much all the time, will do a quick signal as soon as you turn the PDA on.

Now, another question. You know those changes you made in configuration? How does that change things, if you wanna go on a walkabout with it? If it powers up when power is connected, and turns off when power goes off, I assume you have to change it to some other configs if you want to carry it around?

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
So OWG, Based on what you are saying, and placing the gps10 itself, sticking this thing in a pocket of a jacket, or in a backback, should still give it a pretty good signal. And with it on pretty much all the time, will do a quick signal as soon as you turn the PDA on.

Now, another question. You know those changes you made in configuration? How does that change things, if you wanna go on a walkabout with it? If it powers up when power is connected, and turns off when power goes off, I assume you have to change it to some other configs if you want to carry it around?

Ah, you'd think so wouldn't you my good friend. Actually, it shuts off after having no BT connection for a period of time (15 mins I think). So, as long as the iPaq is on and connected, the GPS 10 stays on. Also, the iPaq will not auto shut off if the GPS is active (moving). Still, though, I would like a utility for the PPC to configure the GPS 10. That way I could turn off Auto Off easily when hiking, and instead of putting the iPaq in my pocket on, I could turn it right off and only turn it on when I need a position. Becasue the GPS 10 would be always on, it would be no time at all to get a fix on the PPC. If Garmin doesn't do it themselves, I'm sure someone else can as I think the configuration sentences are clearly listed in the GPS 10 docs.

[rkevwill]

hmmm well I like the idea it doesn't shut off, when having a bluetooth connection. However, am I correct in preferring to have the Ipaq (or whatever) shut down/sleep when not being used, to save battery life? It seems from your response, that not only does the GPS10 stay active, but the PDA will stay active too!

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
hmmm well I like the idea it doesn't shut off, when having a bluetooth connection. However, am I correct in preferring to have the Ipaq (or whatever) shut down/sleep when not being used, to save battery life? It seems from your response, that not only does the GPS10 stay active, but the PDA will stay active too!

It does, but the screen backlight goes out. Also, it has a pretty good battery life to begin with. Like I said though, I think someone will come up with a solution for configuring the device from the PPC. At the worst, it is still better than using a PDA with cf card or built in because I can still put this away and get reception. The others have to be held out to get a fix.

[rkevwill]

Sounds promising:)

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
Sounds promising:)

Actually, I'll boldly go one step further and say, "It delivers!" :)

[mavic-zap]

OWG, is the GPS10/PCC much faster than the iQue, i.e. for map redrawing and route re-calculating?

I am hoping the CPU speed on the HP's and Dell's would make a difference.

Also, I asked this question on the iQue forum, but did not quite get a clear picture of what the function is;
The cfQue manual lists the function 'Add a find feature to the Contacts list'
It shows a little 'Add to Contacts' box with one input field ladled 'Name'.
Is this the function you use to link a waypoint to the contacts list?

I assume the contacts list just does a search through the waypoints list once this function is invoked.

Thanks
Mick

[Bokkie]

Thanks button-nosed vermin!:D

I notice that your GPS screen says "Disconnect from GPS", but the cfQue displays "Disable GPS". The version numbers are the same but taking into account the subtle differences in the graphic elements I alluded to elsewhere, it seems 2.6 is not 2.6! I wonder when Garmin are going to pull the M5/GPS 10/cfQue into one stable and use one common application?

[OWG]

Originally posted by Bokkie
Thanks button-nosed vermin!:D

I notice that your GPS screen says "Disconnect from GPS", but the cfQue displays "Disable GPS". The version numbers are the same but taking into account the subtle differences in the graphic elements I alluded to elsewhere, it seems 2.6 is not 2.6! I wonder when Garmin are going to pull the M5/GPS 10/cfQue into one stable and use one common application?

But that could simply be due to the Interface tab being set to GPS 10. In that case it would sort of be an .ini or .cfg type setting wouldn't it?

[OWG]

Originally posted by mavic-zap
OWG, is the GPS10/PCC much faster than the iQue, i.e. for map redrawing and route re-calculating?

I am hoping the CPU speed on the HP's and Dell's would make a difference.

Also, I asked this question on the iQue forum, but did not quite get a clear picture of what the function is;
The cfQue manual lists the function 'Add a find feature to the Contacts list'
It shows a little 'Add to Contacts' box with one input field ladled 'Name'.
Is this the function you use to link a waypoint to the contacts list?

I assume the contacts list just does a search through the waypoints list once this function is invoked.

Thanks
Mick

Mick,

This is a difficult question. I don't have the iQue still so a side by side is not possible. Maybe that is something Bokkie could try. I will try a calculation to Columbus this morning and see how that turns out. I know on the iQue it used to take around 3 minutes. Keep in mind though that this is like comparing apples to oranges. PPC is a whole different beast and definitely more of a hardware hog than Palm. So, just because it has a faster processor and more memory, doesn't mean it is that much faster.

As far as the Add To Contacts, that is referring to the ability to add the address data of a POI to the contact list. The iQue has the same functionality. On the GPS 10/cfQue, it does not add a location stamp as well. At least not yet ;) . I am hopful that it will make it to the GPS 10 via the work done on the M5.

[JMckie]

I posted this question a few days ago and I'm not sure if anyone has answered it in another thread:

- does Mapopolis for PPC work with this?
- Has anyone tried other third party GPS apps?
- anyone try it with GPSGate yet?

[OWG]

Originally posted by OWG
Mick,

This is a difficult question. I don't have the iQue still so a side by side is not possible. Maybe that is something Bokkie could try. I will try a calculation to Columbus this morning and see how that turns out. I know on the iQue it used to take around 3 minutes. Keep in mind though that this is like comparing apples to oranges. PPC is a whole different beast and definitely more of a hardware hog than Palm. So, just because it has a faster processor and more memory, doesn't mean it is that much faster.

As far as the Add To Contacts, that is referring to the ability to add the address data of a POI to the contact list. The iQue has the same functionality. On the GPS 10/cfQue, it does not add a location stamp as well. At least not yet ;) . I am hopful that it will make it to the GPS 10 via the work done on the M5.

OK, I tried a route to Columbus from Hamilton and it calculated it in about 20 seconds. Wow, that was fast. Now, to be fair, I do not have detailed maps all the way to Columbus like I did when I calculated from the iQue. I will have to load them and try again to verify if it calculates as fast.

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
I posted this question a few days ago and I'm not sure if anyone has answered it in another thread:

- does Mapopolis for PPC work with this?
- Has anyone tried other third party GPS apps?
- anyone try it with GPSGate yet?

I am working on that. I had a copy of OnCourse Navigator, but not sure where it went. Where do you get GPSGate from?

[JMckie]

Originally posted by OWG
I am working on that. I had a copy of OnCourse Navigator, but not sure where it went. Where do you get GPSGate from?

It's counter-intuitive, I know, but you can get to gpsgate from www.gpsgate.com :)

Another question: Do you keep the GPS10 powered on all of the time when hooked up in the car? Or do you have to switch it on and off? Is there a power standby mode?

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
It's counter-intuitive, I know, but you can get to gpsgate from www.gpsgate.com :)

Another question: Do you keep the GPS10 powered on all of the time when hooked up in the car? Or do you have to switch it on and off? Is there a power standby mode?

Thanks for the link.

I have the GPS 10 configured to come on when I turn on the car and it powers off 15 minutes after the car shuts off.

[JMckie]

Originally posted by OWG
Thanks for the link.

I have the GPS 10 configured to come on when I turn on the car and it powers off 15 minutes after the car shuts off.

Does it power off, or go into some kind of standby mode? (Cause I can't picture how it can wake up from a totally powered off state.) In standby mode, I presume it waits for power you get when you start the engine to start receiving?

How long will the internal battery last in standby mode?

[JMckie]

Bump.

I wish to understand if and how the GPS 10 powers on when the car is started.

Also want to know if there has been an research done regarding 3rd party app usage. C'mon guys, aren't you even the slightest bit curious?

[Bokkie]

I'd be interested in this if I could actually source a GPS 10 from somewhere. I phoned a UK agent and they say they don't expect much stock until the middle going on for the end of March. Once again the UK sucks the hind tit...

[kefer]

Originally posted by JMckie
Bump.

I wish to understand if and how the GPS 10 powers on when the car is started.

Also want to know if there has been an research done regarding 3rd party app usage. C'mon guys, aren't you even the slightest bit curious?
If you have it connected to a circuit that is switched through the ignition (like most cars), then the GPS 10 can be set to turn on when power is applied. It also powers down 15 minutes after it loses bluetooth connection with your pda by default. So this works great...unless (like me) your lighter is not switched (i.e. always powered), in which case you need to turn it on manually :(

Can't answer your question about third party software. Garmin software works great for my needs, so no interest here.

[JMckie]

OWG, I'm asking you since I think we are both in ON. Where did you buy your GPS 10 and for how much?

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
OWG, I'm asking you since I think we are both in ON. Where did you buy your GPS 10 and for how much?

Hello! Sorry, I was gone for a bit (tradeshow in Vegas) and was having too much fun to have time to log in (it was a nightclub and bar show ;) ).

I bought mine from GPSCity.ca. I found that their prices are competitive, and I have dealt with them in the past. Also, they are in Calgary, so there is no PST.

As for the question earlier about the power, as Kefer said it is auto power on if on a switched circuit (mine is, sorry Kefer :( ), and it does power off if the BT connection is idle for 15 mins.

I have plans for trying a third party app on my iPaq, I just haven't had the time lately (had family visiting, away for work, etc.). I have a copy of OnCourse Navigator, but had a problem with the install. I am away to Orlando next week, so I don't think it will be something I'll be able to get to until the later part of March. If you have something quick you want to send for me to try, I will do that over the weekend....just PM me.

[JMckie]

Has anyone tried this with a BT earpiece while navigating? I really like listening to audiobooks while driving. It makes the ride enjoyable rather than stressful.

Apart from a BT earpiece, what other speaker options are there? I need the audio playing at a fairly high volume. Is the internal speaker of the Axim adequate? Are there car mounts with an attached speaker like the iQue automobile kit? (I dislike those FM speaker kits because of the additional bulk and wiring)

[rkevwill]

Has anyone tried this with a BT earpiece while navigating? I really like listening to audiobooks while driving. It makes the ride enjoyable rather than stressful.

Apart from a BT earpiece, what other speaker options are there? I need the audio playing at a fairly high volume. Is the internal speaker of the Axim adequate? Are there car mounts with an attached speaker like the iQue automobile kit? (I dislike those FM speaker kits because of the additional bulk and wiring)

There are some very small fm broadcasters, where you could use the radio in your car. Also, Seido has some nice mounts with an internal speaker, and an audio out line. You might be able to find an fm modulator small enough to stick on the back of the mount, so its not intrusive.

[AnswerDude]

This FM Wireless Music Adapter is pretty small (3.2" x 0.9" x 0.9")

http://www.myirock.com/players/irock450fm.asp

[JMckie]

There are a few things about the FM adapters that made me gave mine away.

- when listening to GPS directions, you can't listen to the radio at the same time
- the need to plug in the speaker
- the need to charge the battery or plug into the cigarette lighter (which you already use to power the GPS)

Mounts with built-in speakers like the one that comes with the iQue or the M5 are nice because there is no need to plug in the jack. The speaker will work by simply mounting the PDA. The drawback is that the sound quality is terrible, but for me this is an acceptable tradeoff when listening to audiobooks.

[alexcue]

BTW, (second attempt here) has anyone tried the AC adapter from the iQue3600 to charge up the GPS10? (those of you doing Palm and PPC duty, obviously)

Or at least check and see if they are the exact same size? please... pretty please?
:D

[JGB]

Originally posted by alexcue
BTW, (second attempt here) has anyone tried the AC adapter from the iQue3600 to charge up the GPS10? (those of you doing Palm and PPC duty, obviously)

Or at least check and see if they are the exact same size? please... pretty please?
:D



Yes, I have and it works just fine. Specs match. I posted this info in another thread a week or so ago. (FWIW)

JB

[kefer]

I just tried it this weekend. The GPS 10 car adaptor and the iQue AC adaptor both have the exact same output voltage/amperage.

Works like a charm!

BTW...JGB - did you ever hear back from Garmin about the held button problem? They ignored my email:mad:

[JGB]

Originally posted by kefer
I just tried it this weekend. The GPS 10 car adaptor and the iQue AC adaptor both have the exact same output voltage/amperage.

Works like a charm!

BTW...JGB - did you ever hear back from Garmin about the held button problem? They ignored my email:mad:



kefer - NO, I never did get any response from Garmin Support. I have been meaning to ask you the same question. Some people seem to get good, timely reponses from Garmin but that has never been my experience whenever I have sent in a question, which have been few and far between.

If someone would be so kind as to give us a direct email to somebody at Garmin support that might help rather than go thru their online submission form - which I found had a glitch in it last time with regard to entering the model or serial number. Can't remember which field now.

JB

[alexcue]

Thanks guys I just may have to pick up the GPS10 as a nice backup, or when i'm not the driver. Sorry for being a pest about the AC adapter, but i really don't want another DC/cig power cable, so the battery should come in handy.

Thanks again.

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
Has anyone tried this with a BT earpiece while navigating? I really like listening to audiobooks while driving. It makes the ride enjoyable rather than stressful.

Apart from a BT earpiece, what other speaker options are there? I need the audio playing at a fairly high volume. Is the internal speaker of the Axim adequate? Are there car mounts with an attached speaker like the iQue automobile kit? (I dislike those FM speaker kits because of the additional bulk and wiring)

Joseph, mine is mounted using the Seidio. I find the speaker better than that of the iQue. I think it is a little larger. Also it has an easy to access volume wheel (with proper min/max markings :p ) on the left side of the mount. Just to let you know there are now a couple of options for full stereo BT headphones out there now. HP has a pair here (http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?product_code=FA303A%23AC3&template_type=product_detail&script_name=product.cgi) and Bluetake has a pair here (http://www.bluetake.com/products/BT420EX.htm) .

[JMckie]

OWG, do you have a link to that particular Seidio mount you are using? Thanks.

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
OWG, do you have a link to that particular Seidio mount you are using? Thanks.

Here you go:

http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=CK6AG25IP47

I don't use the suction mount though. Just attach dirrectly to a proclip mount with screws. Very sturdy.

[JMckie]

Does the GPS10 work with nRoute on a Windows BT-enabled notebook? Is nRoute part of the install package? Anyone try this yet?

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
Does the GPS10 work with nRoute on a Windows BT-enabled notebook? Is nRoute part of the install package? Anyone try this yet?

Yes it does and yes it will although I have not tried yet.

[JGB]

nRoute on the PC and G10 works A-OK. Once you pair your PC with the G10 you may need to enter the Bluetooth PIN to make the actual connection to the G10. The PIN is just a generic four digit number - 1234. Garmin indicates some systems may not need to do this every time but it seems I do on mine.

I bought a Kensington Bluetooth USB radio at Best Buy for $40. (I had a gift card or I would have shopped around for a better price). But it works fine with my Gateway laptop.

nRoute feels and looks pretty much like MapSource for those that have never fired it up.

JB

[Egmont]

Just one more question on this line of thinking, my laptop in my car uses the Street Atlas with a USB GPS antenna.

My question, since my laptop does not have BT, what do I need to make it so?

I just fell in love with G10 setup and if I can do without an extra wire, I will go for it.

[JGB]

Go buy a bluetooth USB adapter. Here is what I am using.
Kensington Bluetooth (http://www.kensington.com/html/4720.html) $40 at Best Buy but shop around, your mileage may vary.

JB

Dell Axim X50 mid
G10
iQue3600
2610
Streetpilot III
among others

[OWG]

OK, I have some good news to report. I am in Orlando right now and a colleague of mine has a PPC with Tom Tom 2004. I asked him to try it with the Garmin receiver. He paired to it, configured the software to communicate with that port and YES! it does work!

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by OWG
OK, I have some good news to report. I am in Orlando right now and a colleague of mine has a PPC with Tom Tom 2004. I asked him to try it with the Garmin receiver. He paired to it, configured the software to communicate with that port and YES! it does work!

Wow! That's excellent news rat-droppings. Thanks for the feedback on it.

[rkevwill]

But.........is tom tom any good compared to the garmin maps?

[OWG]

Not in my opinion, but the good news is that it is a Garmin product working with other software.

[Egmont]

Does not want to work with the DeLorme Street Atlas. The program does not even see the the G10.

[OWG]

Originally posted by Egmont
Does not want to work with the DeLorme Street Atlas. The program does not even see the the G10.

You need to select the correct COM port. In my case it was COM 8. If Delorme takes an NMEA data stream, then it should work.

[Egmont]

I got it to work, it was an pairing issue. I am new to Bluetooth.

[OWG]

Good to hear! Now we just need to pitch in and get Joseph a PPC and GPS 10. The apps will start flowing then I think ;)

Or, do you have one already Joseph??? Fess up!:)

[Brain AX]

Great forum. Hard to find good reviews/discussions on the GPS 10 (I even emailed Garmin and they didn't know of any).
I was curious if anyone has planned long distance interstate/interprovince trips on the GPS 10. How well did the mapsource program do? Did it require a lot of memory on your PDA? Is the Que software for the PDA pretty user friendly? :confused:
I am new to GPS and learning about it. I've narrowed my choices down to the GPS 10 or the BT 338 with OCN 4.

[JGB]

Brain,

The GPS 10 deluxe comes with City Select v6 which has been around for many months and used on other Garmin systems. It will certainly get you from Point A to Point B quite well. The memory your PPC will need for map storage is dependent on the size of the CF or SD card you use to store them. PPC memory is only needed to run the QUE map application.

If you get a 2 GB memory card you can load the entire US and Canada and have some room left over.

One confusing point to new users is the difference between Mapsource and the GPS map application. Mapsource only runs on your PC and while it is a "map application" some people only use it to pick the detailed maps they want to use and download them to their GPS. Since the GPS 10 is primarily marketed to be used with a PPC you download maps to the PPC in that case. Mapsource can do more - like set up routes and waypoints, and much more, which can also be downloaded, but I don't use it that way. I let the GPS determine the route on the fly.

In the case of the GPS 10 it uses an application called Que on the PPC to deal with the detailed maps once you download them to the PPC. To muddy the water a little more - the GPS 10 also comes with an application called "nRoute". If you have a laptop PC with Bluetooth you can drive down the road with your laptop communicating with the GPS 10 and accomplish the same thing as the Que software on your PPC. I think you can download nRoute from the Garmin site for free and take a look at it is you want to. It will also give you a pretty good idea of what MapSource looks and feels like. They are almost identical.

JB

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by JGB
...If you get a 2MB memory card you can load the entire US and Canada and have some room left over...

JGB, I think you mean a 2 gigabyte card?:D

[Brain AX]

Originally posted by JGB
Brain,

I think you can download nRoute from the Garmin site for free and take a look at it is you want to. It will also give you a pretty good idea of what MapSource looks and feels like. They are almost identical.

JB

JB,

Thanks for the clarification. I certainly could not have figured the difference in the 3 softwares myself from just looking at their website.
I've been looking for a 'demo' for the Que software for the longest time to see what it looks like. Will download nRoute and give it a whirl.

:cool:

[OWG]

nRoute only works with Mapsource. So, if you don't already have that, you cannot use nRoute.

I can tell you however that you would not be disappointed with Garmin software. I have tried several others, and although some mey look a little prettier, none will offer the combined features/functionality of Garmin. For example, Tom Tom 2004 does not allow non-addressable waypoints (so geocaching is out with it). It doesn't even show your speed while following a route.

But, if you buy the GPS10, you can use the receiver with other software if you like. It works in both Garmin and NMEA protocols.

[Egmont]

Honorable Rat,

Have you tried connecting two devises to one G10?

I always have a laptop in my car/truck, so I was wondering if the G10 can support two units or if the Bluetooth signals will cancel each other?

[Brain AX]

Originally posted by OWG
nRoute only works with Mapsource. So, if you don't already have that, you cannot use nRoute.

I can tell you however that you would not be disappointed with Garmin software. I have tried several others, and although some mey look a little prettier, none will offer the combined features/functionality of Garmin. For example, Tom Tom 2004 does not allow non-addressable waypoints (so geocaching is out with it). It doesn't even show your speed while following a route.

But, if you buy the GPS10, you can use the receiver with other software if you like. It works in both Garmin and NMEA protocols.

OWG,

I realized the same thing after I downloaded nRoute this morning. I was a little disappointed. I know that Garmin puts out good products (which is why there are hordes of Garmin users out there) but I kinda wanted to 'see it in action' before I spend the bucks.
On another note, there's been a lot of reviews on the BT 338 with the SirfStar III chipset. Is this any better than the hardware on the GPS 10? Which is a better 'mousetrap?' - pardon the pun.
;)

[rkevwill]

Brain:

'Scuse me if I put my own 2 points in here. I am a hardcore Mac user. I stay as far away from my XP and 2000 machines as I can. That said, Garmin does NOT support macs.

Macs have several GPS programs that support them natively. Us mac users have to jump through some hoops to use the garmin products. However, we use the Garmin products.

That should tell you something. Either we are gluttons for punishment, or we have figured out the Garmin products are the best on the market.

And thats all I have to say about THAT topic :D

Have fun with your GPS 10. My suggestion is get the garmin software;)

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by JGB
...I should learn to keep my mouth shut if I don't know what I am talking about...

It has'nt done me any harm, so write away to your hearts content.:D

[OWG]

Originally posted by Brain AX
OWG,

I realized the same thing after I downloaded nRoute this morning. I was a little disappointed. I know that Garmin puts out good products (which is why there are hordes of Garmin users out there) but I kinda wanted to 'see it in action' before I spend the bucks.
On another note, there's been a lot of reviews on the BT 338 with the SirfStar III chipset. Is this any better than the hardware on the GPS 10? Which is a better 'mousetrap?' - pardon the pun.
;)

If you want to see it in action, go to a Best Buy or something like that and have a look at either the iQue 3600, M5, 3200, street pilot 2610. They all do pretty much the same thing. The GPS 10 is better than other BT GPS receivers IMO because it is the only one that can work with Garmin maps and all other NMEA compliant s/w out there. The others can't do that. Also, I don't know how many are programmable (auto power on/off, etc.).

[Brain AX]

Guys,

Thanks for the input.
rekevwill - Spoken like a true Mac fanatic!
I'm going to check out the Garmin stuff at the stores this week...:)

[OWG]

Originally posted by Egmont
Honorable Rat,

Have you tried connecting two devises to one G10?

I always have a laptop in my car/truck, so I was wondering if the G10 can support two units or if the Bluetooth signals will cancel each other?

FYI

I just setup my notebook to run the nRoute software. It will not allow simultaneous connections. As long as the nRoute is running, the PPC will not. As soon as I turned off the software (not the computer) it disconnects from the GPS10 and it is available for the PPC again.

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by OWG
FYI

I just setup my notebook to run the nRoute software. It will not allow simultaneous connections. As long as the nRoute is running, the PPC will not. As soon as I turned off the software (not the computer) it disconnects from the GPS10 and it is available for the PPC again.

Festering Rat Droppings,

that's the know 'problem' with GPS on the PPC/Windows machines. Only one can own the COM port at any one time. That's why GPSGate is useful as it owns the COM port and distributes the GPS messages to any number of applications listening on virtual COM ports.

[rkevwill]

An OT in the OT:

OWG, Bokkie, or any others. Now that I have made this amazing discovery (after 2 years) That Betty mutes the audio player on the 3600, I was wondering how that might be handled on the GPS 10? Does Betty mute any audio players when using the garmin software via bluetooth? I see a possibility here for my own use. I am assuming, there is no "audio" application that comes with the GPS 10, since the PPC's already have a player of some sort.

Using a ppc, with the GPS10, probably in a Seido mount. Normally, those mounts also have an audio out plug. This is a good thing, as I could play MP3's directly to my aux port in my Blaupunkt. I would want Betty to mute the music or audio books however.

This could be a deciding factor in deciding to get a GPS 10 in the future.

[Brain AX]

Just bought the GPS 10! Thanks for all your advice. This won't be my last post....

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
An OT in the OT:

OWG, Bokkie, or any others. Now that I have made this amazing discovery (after 2 years) That Betty mutes the audio player on the 3600, I was wondering how that might be handled on the GPS 10? Does Betty mute any audio players when using the garmin software via bluetooth? I see a possibility here for my own use. I am assuming, there is no "audio" application that comes with the GPS 10, since the PPC's already have a player of some sort.

Using a ppc, with the GPS10, probably in a Seido mount. Normally, those mounts also have an audio out plug. This is a good thing, as I could play MP3's directly to my aux port in my Blaupunkt. I would want Betty to mute the music or audio books however.

This could be a deciding factor in deciding to get a GPS 10 in the future.

Nope. Won't do that. As a matter of fact, I think it only mutes the audio in the 3600 if you use QueAudio as your player. If I remember correctly PocketTunes wouldn't mute either.

[rkevwill]

Yep, you are right. Needs to use Que Audio.

Well that sucks. Cumon guys, you are bright, come up with a way!

I checked the Garmin site, and the M5 doesn't come with QueAudio either. It comes with WMP. Any idea if they interfaced it to the point where IT mutes?

[OWG]

Unfortunately that is one of the trade-offs. On the plus side however, I have never been happier. The combination of devices I have now is simply rock solid. I am getting all the features I want out of a PDA (and then some!). The flexibility of having the GPS part of the device remain in the car and requiring absolutely no attention to it. When I want to go hiking it is as simple as putting the receiver in my backpack pocket and my iPaq in my jacket pocket, only removing it when I want to check my position. Reliability, reliability, reliability.

Another interesting thing, I found an app called DVD to Pocket PC. I ripped a movie to my SD card (330 MB). I packed my headphones and watched a movie on my flight to Orlando. It was awsome! The guy beside me on the plane had one of those portable DVD players and was blown away by what I had. He said "Jeez, I just bought this and it is already old!". When I got to Florida, I had an Aviator as my rental, so I through the GPS 10 on the roof, and off I went!

I really couldn't be happier.

[Egmont]

When I want to go hiking it is as simple as putting the receiver in my backpack pocket and my iPaq in my jacket pocket, only removing it when I want to check my position. Reliability, reliability, reliability.

Mr. Rodent,

Did you keep track of the G10 battery usage on your trek? How did the battery actually last or did you use an auxiliary power pack?

[Bokkie]

Good question, Egmont.

I'd like to know what type of battery the Rodent is using. My standard battery lasts longer than my iQue did but I'd not want to push my luck too far with it.

[OWG]

Originally posted by Egmont
Mr. Rodent,

Did you keep track of the G10 battery usage on your trek? How did the battery actually last or did you use an auxiliary power pack?

I was in Florida for 4 days and the week before I was in Vegas. I took the G10 on both trips, but really only used it in Florida. Had a full charge when I left, used for about 7-8 hours while there, no sign of battery loss. Still worked great . I don't know if there is any kind of an application to check the status or if it even reports it, but I certainly experienced no problems.

[Egmont]

Bokkie

For the iPAQ I have the extended (3600) battery, there is no worry there. It is the G10 I have this question about.

For iQue3600 I have this portable battery pack, -holdind 4 AA cells- both using the same voltage (5v), one should be able to get or make an adopter.

[OWG]

Originally posted by Bokkie
Good question, Egmont.

I'd like to know what type of battery the Rodent is using. My standard battery lasts longer than my iQue did but I'd not want to push my luck too far with it.

As far as the battery in my iPaq, just the standard one. After the movie on the plane, listening to some music and about an hour of navigation, I was down to around 40%. That was on pretty close to full brightness and the movie ran full screen. I did bring my charger for that, however ;) .

[JMckie]

I already have NA City Select for my iQue.

I don't want to buy the same product twice. I would much rather buy a MetroGuide Europe.

1) Can you get the GPS 10 without the maps, just the PPC software?

2) Will the maps available on mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com work with the PPC Que apps?

[jonasolof]

Originally posted by JMckie
I already have NA City Select for my iQue.

I don't want to buy the same product twice. I would much rather buy a MetroGuide Europe.

Same thing for me mutatis mutandi, since I have the european and NA maps I need. If you buy a bare GPS10 (no maps, non deluxe), isn't there any software with it at all?

1) Can you get the GPS 10 just the PPC software?

2) Will the maps available on mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com work with the PPC Que apps?



Re 1 People have found that Metroguide has autoroute if the tiles are loaded to a GPS with Sendmap without going over Mapsource. Also, there is a Palm Sendmap beta version.



Re 2 Presumably yes, but one should verify.

Alternative PPC app for img files one:

http://pocketmv.homeip.net/

PPC app for img files two:

http://gisrussa.ru (russian) There is a Babelfish translation to english, but it's pretty weird. The international version is available in a beta version and they gave me a pw for it, but I don't have a PPC PDA to try it with for the while being. And development is ongoing. They wanted something like 99 euros for it, hopefully the price will go down. The author of GPSmapedit is taking part in

[JMckie]

Same thing for me mutatis mutandi, since I have the european and NA maps I need. If you buy a bare GPS10 (no maps, non deluxe), isn't there any software with it at all?


Jonas' question was hiding in the quote, so I repost it here in hopes of an answer.

[OWG]

I really don't think it comes with anything. However, that said, I don't believe it is the Que software that has to be unlocked, just the maps. SO, unless someone tells me it is wrong to do so, I wouldn't have an issue making an .img file of the setup CD (Que, enRoute, voices, SNSRCFG, etc.). After all the Que software is worthless without unlocked maps.

Or maybe Anders knows or can find out if that would be ok.

[jonasolof]

You'll need some PPC Que software installed to be able to see img format maps, regardlesss whether they are locked/unlocked or free user made maps. The Que nav software itself doesn't come in the form of img that could be compiled from a CD I believe.

So the relevant question is: Can you install Que software on any unit or does it have to be registered for that unit? If no, you could borrow a Que CD, install thesoftware and use it to see free maps and Metroguide if you got it.

There are still areas of the world not covered by (locked) maps. They have to rely on user made maps. Some of these are of impressive quality and routing is coming.

Edit: I see we mean the same thing.

[OWG]

Originally posted by jonasolof
You'll need some PPC Que software installed to be able to see img format maps, regqardlesss whether they are locked/unlocked or free user made maps. The Que nav software itself doesn't come in the form of img that could becompiled from a CD I believe.

So the relevant question is: Can you install Que software on any unit or does it have to be registered for that unit? If no, you could borrow a Que CD, install thesoftware and use it to see free maps and Metroguide if you got it.

There are still areas of the world not covered by (locked) maps. They have to rely on user made maps. Some of these are of impressive quality and routing is coming.

Sorry, what I meant was I could make an image of the entire setup disk if someone else wanted it. There are no license or key entry requirements while installing the Que software. I think it could be looked at in the same manner as the enRoute software. You can freely download it from the Garmin website and I think that is because it is not useable without the maps, which need to be unlocked.

I don't know why Garmin wouldn't provide this with the OEM version. Maybe just an oversight?

O.T. - Not sure if you follow, but not a good showing for J.V. and Sauber this weekend :(

[rkevwill]

(butting in)
Nor for those RED cars and their drivers.

[OWG]

Originally posted by rkevwill
(butting in)
Nor for those RED cars and their drivers.

Yeah, but that's a GOOD THING! :D I think they did get a point though.

[rkevwill]

'scuse me, I need to go out to the garage and check the tread on my rear Bridgestones. :p

[motoyoyo]

I have been contemplating a new GPS handheld for a couple weeks now. Well, actually forever, but it only seems now they are closer to what I have been wanting. I can't believe how difficult it has been to find good gps info for a specific purpose in mind, until I found this forum just today. I've read through all this thread as well as many others here. I have to admit that the GPS 10 solution with a high res PPC like the Axim X50V is looking good. I've almost clicked the buy button for an iQue 3600 several times in the last week, but just don't think I can deal with some of it's shortcomings, ie. short battery life and not being able to move it from the window while in the car, are just two things that come to mind.

What I am specifcally looking for is a gps device that will give me the absolute best possible map images for use with USGS topo software. I do a lot of off road motorcycling with my kids and friends and I need to know exactly where I'm at and where the trails lead to. The USGS maps have incredible detail and show the most minute trails very accurately I've found. The only other way to do this has been to carry the very large USGS maps with me and an eMap or eTrex with me for simple coordinate locations. Otherwise these gps units are of no value to me other than to maybe point me in the direction of my truck if I were lost. Not much help though if the trails aren't shown though.

I currently have the National Geogrphic State Series Topo software that uses scanned USGS maps. The California set alone is on 10 cd's. They now offer an extension program which uses the State Series Topo maps for a Palm or PPC called Pocket Topo (http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/topo/pocket.cfm) . Have any of you had experience with this software on your PPC's and GPS 10 units, or the iQue's for that matter? I'm wondering how well the maps really show up on a hanheld. It would seem to me that a PPC with vga would be the best option but I wonder if the software is optimized for that purpose or not. Also, will it be compatible with Garmin's City Select on the same unit? I'm liking the way the GPS 10 looks to have good battery life as well as being able to stash in a pack or mount on a bike and keep the PDA safe in a pack until it's needed. Also, in a car, I like the idea of being able to pick up the PDA or set it down and not lose the gps signal. I hate wires. It would be great if you could just have a spare PDA battery on a charger in the car and swap when needed.

[huntler]

Originally posted by motoyoyo
I have been contemplating a new GPS handheld for a couple weeks now. Well, actually forever, but it only seems now they are closer to what I have been wanting. I can't believe how difficult it has been to find good gps info for a specific purpose in mind, until I found this forum just today. I've read through all this thread as well as many others here. I have to admit that the GPS 10 solution with a high res PPC like the Axim X50V is looking good. I've almost clicked the buy button for an iQue 3600 several times in the last week, but just don't think I can deal with some of it's shortcomings, ie. short battery life and not being able to move it from the window while in the car, are just two things that come to mind.

What I am specifcally looking for is a gps device that will give me the absolute best possible map images for use with USGS topo software. I do a lot of off road motorcycling with my kids and friends and I need to know exactly where I'm at and where the trails lead to. The USGS maps have incredible detail and show the most minute trails very accurately I've found. The only other way to do this has been to carry the very large USGS maps with me and an eMap or eTrex with me for simple coordinate locations. Otherwise these gps units are of no value to me other than to maybe point me in the direction of my truck if I were lost. Not much help though if the trails aren't shown though.

I currently have the National Geogrphic State Series Topo software that uses scanned USGS maps. The California set alone is on 10 cd's. They now offer an extension program which uses the State Series Topo maps for a Palm or PPC called Pocket Topo (http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/topo/pocket.cfm) . Have any of you had experience with this software on your PPC's and GPS 10 units, or the iQue's for that matter? I'm wondering how well the maps really show up on a hanheld. It would seem to me that a PPC with vga would be the best option but I wonder if the software is optimized for that purpose or not. Also, will it be compatible with Garmin's City Select on the same unit? I'm liking the way the GPS 10 looks to have good battery life as well as being able to stash in a pack or mount on a bike and keep the PDA safe in a pack until it's needed. Also, in a car, I like the idea of being able to pick up the PDA or set it down and not lose the gps signal. I hate wires. It would be great if you could just have a spare PDA battery on a charger in the car and swap when needed.


Yea... what he asked.

I have the exact same question.

Thanks

[OWG]

I have not tried the software. Do you have it? I don't think it would be of much use to me in Canada as they are US Topo's but I will try it for you if you like. PM if you would like to.

Now, as far as the BT GPS10, I am having to say that after over a month of use, it really is perfect. I think it also speaks volumes when you look at the lack of posts in this forum about problems with it. To anyone out there looking for a good PDA GPS solution and you can live without Palm (really, it's not that hard to do), get a good PPC and the GPS 10. You will not be disappointed. From someone who has owned both an iQue 3600 and the GPS 10 it is hands down better. I think Garmin needs to continue down this path and leave the PDAs to the companies that do it best.

[romwarrior]

I am loving my GPS 10 so far. It works almost perfectly. I have a question, though. I am using my PPC strictly for GPS purposes and don't take the unit out of my car. I'm assuming that if I don't shut down Garmin Que or disconnect the GPS, they will be sit there communicating via bluetooth all day and drain their batteries while I am working. I am wondering what people have found to be the quickest way of doing this?

I started out simply disconnecting the GPS via the menu, which leaves Que running but since bluetooth is turned off, both units go into standby after a short time. However, I would occasionally have the Que software freeze up on me when doing this and would have to reset the PPC. Now I've been exiting the Que software completely, but that takes three clicks (Menu - Exit - Yes). Is there any way to shortcut this at all? What are others doing in this situation?

[romwarrior]

Sorry for multiple posts, just wanted to separate the questions:

If you missed my last question, I'll state that the GPS 10 and my PPC never leave my car, and the GPS 10 is always connected to the cigarrette lighter (that turns off when the car does and vice versa). About 90% of the time, turning on my car turns on the G10. There are sometimes, however, when the G10 does not turn on, even though the yellow light starts flashing on it signalling that it is charging. Anyone have any guesses why?

I've seen some other posts about configuring the G10 via bluetooth and PC, but since this works about 90% of the time for me, I'm assuming this is not a configuration issue?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[OWG]

Romwarrior, you do need to change the configuration with the SNSRCFG application that comes on the CD. It will allow you to have the G10 powerup from the power (if you have an ignition switched 12V socket) and power off after 15 minutes of being idle. Then you just need to have your PPC power off after a time while running on battery. I have had about 1 or 2 times where the G10 did not want to play on starting the car. In those cases I just unplugged the 12V adapter and plugged right back in again. An alternate meathod would be to turn off the car and back on.

[romwarrior]

OWG, if my G10 already turns on nine out of ten times, do you still think the configuration would have any effect? I don't have a bluetooth dongle for my laptop, but I guess I could get one to try it out. It just seems strange that the behavior is not consistent.

Anyone know if there is a way to tell my PPC to still power off after a few minutes on battery power even if bluetooth is active? Would love to not have my battery die on my PPC and the G10 if I forget to disconnect them...

[Kyotech]

First time poster, just found this thread from a link at the GPS forum over at aximsite.com I have used the GPS 10 for over a month now and love it. But there are a few things Garmin would consider.


1: Hide the title bar (name?) on top so the map will cover the entire screen. Of course have it as an option so you can enable/disable it.

2: Have a bigger input method. Even on the StreetPilot 2610 the numbers and letter are big enough to just use your finger. Oncourse Navigator 4 uses a phone style keypad with 3 letters on each pad, so if you want the 2 letter you hit the pad twice.
http://www.buygpsnow.com/img/products/OnCourseScreen1.jpg


Tomtom has a nice big keyboard style similar to the stand keyboard on the OS.
http://www.buygpsnow.com/img/captures/tomtom/4.jpg

Garmin did a good job making the other icons big for easy use but the input method needs a lot of work.

3: 3D view? I know this is a long shot as Garmin just got into 3d nav view with the StreetPilot c330, but hey what the heck it is a wish list right

All in all the Que software from Garmin is very very good. Some have reported problems with the software finding the detailed maps but I have had no problems. The nice thing is that the GPS 10 unit will work with other software

[OWG]

Originally posted by romwarrior
OWG, if my G10 already turns on nine out of ten times, do you still think the configuration would have any effect? I don't have a bluetooth dongle for my laptop, but I guess I could get one to try it out. It just seems strange that the behavior is not consistent.

Anyone know if there is a way to tell my PPC to still power off after a few minutes on battery power even if bluetooth is active? Would love to not have my battery die on my PPC and the G10 if I forget to disconnect them...

Sorry for the delay, but I am only able to log on from work as my desktop is out of commission for the moment. Parts are on the way, but I won't get them until next Friday :( .

Anyways, if you are seeing the power not come on only sometimes, then I'm not sure what is wrong. As far as the power off thing on the PDA, mine does power off if the BT connection is idle. You may still want to get ahold of a BT dongle and look at how yours is configured. I found that fiddling with the settings got mine working exactly as I want.

[JGB]

I almost started a "wish list" the other day so will just add my 2-cents here. (our moderator may want to move all this to a new thread if he/she chooses)

1. Give the GPS 10 a minature ON/OFF switch for the flashing blue activity/network light. I find it distracting at night when the G10 is sitting on the dashboard - get a double whammy as it is reflecting off the windshield/windscreen. Couple that with the PPC BT light and it's a triple whammy.
(I know, just close my eyes.....) :D

I also don't want to be stopped for impersonating an emergency vehicle. :rolleyes:

2. Give the Que software a battery level indicator for the G10. nSource software already has this implemented.

[Kyotech]

Originally posted by JGB
I almost started a "wish list" the other day so will just add my 2-cents here. (our moderator may want to move all this to a new thread if he/she chooses)

1. Give the GPS 10 a minature ON/OFF switch for the flashing blue activity/network light. I find it distracting at night when the G10 is sitting on the dashboard - get a double whammy as it is reflecting off the windshield/windscreen. Couple that with the PPC BT light and it's a triple whammy.
(I know, just close my eyes.....) :D

I also don't want to be stopped for impersonating an emergency vehicle. :rolleyes:

2. Give the Que software a battery level indicator for the G10. nSource software already has this implemented.

Great ideas!!! Another idea for the night time navigtion is have the backlight also dim when it shifts into night mode. I find night mode is great but the backlight is way to bright.

Has anybody gotten the press and hold functions to work for the buttons?

[Kincop]

"Mapsource can do more - like set up routes and waypoints, and much more, which can also be downloaded, but I don't use it that way. I let the GPS determine the route on the fly. "

Can someone explain if its possible downloading a route made in Mapsource to Que/GPS10?
Furthermore: is it possible connect a "soundalarm" to a waipoint in GPS10, if yes-how?

Best regards,
Kincop (newbie):o

[rkevwill]

pssst JGB, Duct tape the light:D

[JGB]

Originally posted by rkevwill
pssst JGB, Duct tape the light:D


Well, I have gray duct tape, red duct tape and blue duct tape.....which one do you think would work best? What are your thoughts on White Out? I heard there is a lot of it on your computer screen. ;)


Duct tape is like the Force...It has a Dark side and a Light side and it holds the Universe together!

[rkevwill]

well, personally, I think I would put on the one that contrasts and offends the MOST sensibilities :cool:

But one option that is not *quite* as obscene, would be to stick one of those little adhesive dots over the light, in a color similar to the unit.

All kidding aside, ya know I have noticed the same problem with the Ique 3600. On our old 450sl, the windscreen is quite close, and we have a very thin dashboard in that car. Whether I use the nifty little mount I made, that uses the garmin dashboard stickum mount, on a piece of lexan that is bent and fits in the glove compartment door, OR, the Garmin windshield mount I purchased just for this car,, the green light still seems to reflect and distract.

I wished it dimmed down automatically, when the Ique switches from day to nite mode!

[OWG]

Or you can do like I did and put the GPS 10 in the rear window. Because I have tinted windows, it doesn't become a target for thieves either. Actually, at night when the light is flashing after you leave the car, it looks like a security system ;) .

[AnswerDude]

For anyone who's interested, there is free utility that let you turn off/on the bluetooth, WiFi, Power LED on hx4700.
LEDsWiFiBT
http://www.tweaks2k2.com/portal/staticpages/index.php?page=2005022517002183

[Mapper]

And this free utility (ozBT) can turn on/off the Bluetooth-radio only when needed when starting a program or window. You van fully customise it to your needs.

http://207.153.195.134/ozbt.html

[Bokkie]

Mapper, that software is written by the same guy who wrote OzVGA so you know that he writes good stuff.

I personally can't endorse the software that AD refers to as I had a "problem" with the author of that a couple of months ago. AD recalls the story I think?:D

[AnswerDude]

The turn off bt light can be done through registry editing, for anyone who does not want to use the programs;

Originally posted by rwijnhov
Hy there everyone with this hack you can turn the blue led of that shows if wifi or bluetooth is enabled. So no more anoying to bright blue led :D .

1. Open up your favorite registry editor and go to:
\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\BWLEDMgr
3. Inside the BWLEDMgr keyfolder is a string called "Dll"
4. Rename that to "xDll" then do a soft reset. That should take out the blue led.

Hope you like it.

[Bokkie]

AD, another great solution. Where the darned do you pick this stuff up anyhows?:eek:

[JMckie]

Bokkie, what's this? You told us AnswerDude secretly PM's you for advice? :)

[smiffer]

I'm a current iQue user and am not sure if I wanna keep her much longer as my warrenty period is almost over and I've already sent it in for 2 RMA's. I know with the iQue you cannot create a route in Mapsource and then upload it to the iQue. Is this possible with the GPS 10? or is there some similar way of save a route and having the GPS 10 use it?

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by JMckie
Bokkie, what's this? You told us AnswerDude secretly PM's you for advice? :)

I know. I'm just trying to give the guy a break in life!:)

[JMckie]

Originally posted by smiffer
I'm a current iQue user and am not sure if I wanna keep her much longer as my warrenty period is almost over and I've already sent it in for 2 RMA's. I know with the iQue you cannot create a route in Mapsource and then upload it to the iQue. Is this possible with the GPS 10? or is there some similar way of save a route and having the GPS 10 use it?

This is still a limitation even on the PPC.

However if you use TomTom, there is a program called GPSAssist (http://www.gpsassist.net/features.htm) which will let you import routes from Mapsource, which TomTom navigator will use to in its route.

[smiffer]

With the Waypoints still useful with the PPC & GPS 10 combination. With the iQue I could use JMckie's Fastfinger and PDtoGPX to create a route. Could I not use PDtoGPX and then manually alter the route wiht Vias from the saved waypoints?

[JMckie]

To use it with the GPS10, I think you only need PDtoGPX but it is not a complete solution. After planning a route in Mapsource, you can save the output to a GPX file. PDtoGPX will take that file and create addressbook entires for it.

These addressbook entries, when synced to the iQue, become waypoints that you can add as vias to your route.

Unfortunately this last step will not work with the PPC since the position information is not saved in the Contacts. I think you will have to take the route stops and save them as waypoints in Mapsource.

Is there a tool that allows importing of Mapsource waypoints into the GPS10? I wasn't able to investigate this in my brief time with it.

[OWG]

I really wish there was. This is one of the biggest weaknesses of the GPS10. As waypoints are not stored with a contact, there is no way to backup waypoints to the PC except by copying the actual Garmin waypoint file itself. This method is only as good as the last time you backed up and not useable with Mapsource that I'm aware of. Also an annoyance is that even if you specifiy to install the Que app to an SD or CF card, the waypoints and routes are stored in the main memory, so gone if you have a hard reset.

[JMckie]

It should be a simple matter to-write a wpt to GPX conversion program. This will act like a conduit to Mapsource. Can you attach a small Wpt file here containing two entries?

[OWG]

Here you go:

Let me know if you need anything else.

[JMckie]

Simple matter? I guess I spoke too soon. Garmin chose to save the file in some proprietary binary format.

[OWG]

Too bad. Maybe they will publish this? Maybe Anders can help?

[Kaba]

Originally posted by OWG
... As waypoints are not stored with a contact, there is no way to backup waypoints to the PC except by copying the actual Garmin waypoint file itself.

Why do you want to write a backup or conversions program? Garmin already made this - it's called Mapsource.
Simply make an ActiveSync connection to your PPC, start Mapsource, select Transfer - Receive From Device, select the Garmin Que device and check to receive Waypoints.
Now you can save it as GDB or MPS or GPX...

[JMckie]

Originally posted by Kaba
Why do you want to write a backup or conversions program? Garmin already made this - it's called Mapsource.
Simply make an ActiveSync connection to your PPC, start Mapsource, select Transfer - Receive From Device, select the Garmin Que device and check to receive Waypoints.
Now you can save it as GDB or MPS or GPX...

That's a good find. Was it documented anywhere?

What else can you do with Mapsource transfer - receive from device:
Will it do Tracks? Routes?

How about transfer - send to device?
Will it do Waypoints? Tracks? Routes?

[OWG]

Originally posted by JMckie
That's a good find. Was it documented anywhere?

What else can you do with Mapsource transfer - receive from device:
Will it do Tracks? Routes?

How about transfer - send to device?
Will it do Waypoints? Tracks? Routes?

THAT is the problem. Does me absolutely no good to receive the waypoints in a format that mapsource can use if I can't send back to the device. I really don't care if they are in mapsource or not. I just want them backed up in the event of a hard reset. I do not want to have to enter all the waypoints manually (again!). Like I said earlier, the best thing Garmin could do outside of allowing the transfer of waypoints/routes TO the device is to at least store in the Garmin directory on the memory card if I choose to install there. I don't see any reason why they have to be in the main memory if the maps etc. are on SD. Or...they could simply allow the waypoints to be stored as the Radio Phone # field in the outlook contacts like the M5.

[JMckie]

Which folder is it stored in? Is it in a folder that you could perhaps keep synchronized with the desktop using ActiveSync?

One of the first things I invested in was Sprite Backup. I have it configured to run every morning at 4AM, and keep the last three days worth of backups on the SD card. One side effect is that it also does a soft reset when it is done, so the Axim wakes up renewed and refreshed in the morning. :)

[OWG]

It is kept in a GARMIN folder right off the root in main memory. It looks like the executable is there, the basemap, error log, routes, tracks and the voice folder.

[OWG]

Speaking of which, do I need the basemaps? That would save 5M of precious main memory. Is there anything stored in the base maps that isn't in the detailed maps of the same area?

[mavic-zap]

There is a sync program called MobSync {http://www.interq.or.jp/punk/doino/home/} that can be customised to sync any folder on the PPC to the desktop. I use it to sync files that I don’t want to keep in My Documents, it would be a good tool to backup the Garmin folder.

Mick

[OWG]

Originally posted by mavic-zap
There is a sync program called MobSync {http://www.interq.or.jp/punk/doino/home/} that can be customised to sync any folder on the PPC to the desktop. I use it to sync files that I don’t want to keep in My Documents, it would be a good tool to backup the Garmin folder.

Mick

Thanks Mick!

Can I use it to just backup just the files I want from that folder?

[mavic-zap]

OWG,
No unfortunately it syncs all the files in a given folder, or at least V 0.9.1 works like that, the site now has V 0.9.4 that I have not tested yet.

Mick

[Kaba]

Originally posted by JMckie
Will it do Waypoints? Tracks? Routes?

Yes, it receives and sends Waypoints and Tracks (but no Routes).
I don't kow if it is documented somewhere (sure it is), but you can just see it, when you select Send to Device / Receive From Device - and choose Garmin Que: the Waypoints and Tracks checkboxes are not greyed out.
You can then backup and restore your waypoints and tracks with Mapsource.

[OWG]

Originally posted by Kaba
Yes, it receives and sends Waypoints and Tracks (but no Routes).
I don't kow if it is documented somewhere (sure it is), but you can just see it, when you select Send to Device / Receive From Device - and choose Garmin Que: the Waypoints and Tracks checkboxes are not greyed out.
You can then backup and restore your waypoints and tracks with Mapsource.

Well, I'll be.....I swear that wasn't in there before ;) . I am sure I tried this previously. please tell me that wasn't there on the previous version of Que (v2.40).

Thank you so very much for pointing this out to me. I feel a little silly :) .

[Bokkie]

Originally posted by OWG
...I feel a little silly :) .

You are silly. A very silly rat with a button on the tip of the nose. How silly is that!:)

[JMckie]

Originally posted by OWG
Well, I'll be.....I swear that wasn't in there before ;) . I am sure I tried this previously. please tell me that wasn't there on the previous version of Que (v2.40).

Thank you so very much for pointing this out to me. I feel a little silly :) .

What version of Mapsource are you using? In my 6.5 version, it is unable to find the Axim even though I have an ActiveSync connection.

[OWG]

I'm using 6.6 Beta. I believe it worked on the 6.5 as well. Here is a cap of the receive dialog.

[Kincop]

Or am I just dizzy as usual?
Im wondering over when I add new/additional/more maps to my device. THEN the already installed detailed maps disapear!
Like this: if I already have installed e.g Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Northern Germany and later want to add/install e.g Southern Germany & Northern Italy THEN I must install all the maps with Sweden et.al AGAIN? :eek:

Best regards,
Kincop

[Kyotech]

Sounds to me you might not have had all the maps selected in Mapsource. I've done that before and I thought the same thing, Mapsource opens with an Untitled.gdb file instead of the last worked on file.

[Store]

Originally posted by Kincop
Or am I just dizzy as usual?
Im wondering over when I add new/additional/more maps to my device. THEN the already installed detailed maps disapear!
Like this: if I already have installed e.g Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Northern Germany and later want to add/install e.g Southern Germany & Northern Italy THEN I must install all the maps with Sweden et.al AGAIN? :eek:

Best regards,
Kincop
On all Garmin GPSr you must ALWAYS load ALL maps simultaneously. The PC that you load from builds index files from the selected maps with adresses, POI, etc. The index files are loaded together with the maps.

[Kincop]

Originally posted by Store
On all Garmin GPSr you must ALWAYS load ALL maps simultaneously. The PC that you load from builds index files from the selected maps with adresses, POI, etc. The index files are loaded together with the maps.

Ok, Thanx!
That´s what I was "afraid" of! ;)
Now it takes a while for the process to install the maps (e.g aprox.200mb) to the device. SO I would have to think alittle bit more before changing maps. . Also: I´m not sure but it seems that I have only USB 1.0 on my pc. THAT would explain even moore why it takes so long time installing..or does it (pretty faster with USB2.0)?
Hmmm..
Best regards, Kincop

[OWG]

Originally posted by Kincop
Ok, Thanx!
That´s what I was "afraid" of! ;)
Now it takes a while for the process to install the maps (e.g aprox.200mb) to the device. SO I would have to think alittle bit more before changing maps. . Also: I´m not sure but it seems that I have only USB 1.0 on my pc. THAT would explain even moore why it takes so long time installing..or does it (pretty faster with USB2.0)?
Hmmm..
Best regards, Kincop

If your PC supports USB2.0 and you have XP SP2 installed, you can just go into Device Mangler and choose to update the drivers and it will install the drivers for USB2.0. I don't believe they were there for earlier versions of XP and they don't automatically update.

[randar]

Does any of yo knowe if the GPS 10 works with the WM v5.0?

I am having problems connectiv with my pda...

Help is realy wanted here ^..^

[scorp]

Does any of yo knowe if the GPS 10 works with the WM v5.0?

I am having problems connectiv with my pda...

Help is realy wanted here ^..^

Try www.aximsite.com and the forum on Windows Mobile 5. Yes this site is for Dell Axim users but there is a lot of Axim users out there running WM5 with all kinds of issues, including GPS 10 issues.

If you do a search within this forum you will find an exchange around 1 November about issues with GPS 10 and QUE with WM5. A patch received from Garmin was which has helped many of the users. You may have to take a risk, but you can also contact Garmin technical support with the patch and see if they will comment on your issues.

Hope this helps.

[randar]

Try www.aximsite.com and the forum on Windows Mobile 5. Yes this site is for Dell Axim users but there is a lot of Axim users out there running WM5 with all kinds of issues, including GPS 10 issues.

If you do a search within this forum you will find an exchange around 1 November about issues with GPS 10 and QUE with WM5. A patch received from Garmin was which has helped many of the users. You may have to take a risk, but you can also contact Garmin technical support with the patch and see if they will comment on your issues.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, www.aximsite.com is a gooood friend. I have found the solution :) GPSGate is the name.

[telstar]

I just received my GPS 10 after being backordered for a while.
I loaded it onto my Samsung i730 pda/phone and it is working well so far.

I also downloaded and installed the most recent updates from Garmin. It did load a GarminQue.exe file into main memory even though I specified storage memory. There was also the same file in storage memory so I deleted the one in main memory and it still seems to work. (To save a few Mb).

I loaded about 1Gb of maps onto my 2Gb SD card. (A-Data).

The routing is super fast, taking only seconds for a 200 mile trip from crowded Long Island to upstate New York.

Also, you now CAN configure the GPS 10 from the PDA for auto on/off with power and bluetooth. It also shows the GPS 10 battery level and lets you toggle WAAS on/off.

I was wondering if there was any way to:
1-Route to a contact. Seems like you should be able to do this.

2-Store more than one group of maps that can be selected as needed. If not, you should at least be able to add to the existing one without re-writing the whole thing. (This would be handy to switch between Topo, City Select, bluecharts, etc.)

3- Set an audible alarm, such as for max speed. (I'm in danger of losing my license due to NY's ridiculous laws, even if I just go along with traffic it is too much risk.)

I also think they should have made the little plug that covers the charging port attached somehow. I know I am going to lose the little plug and ruin it's water resistance.

I have only had it for a few days and am happy with it so far. I'm sure I'll have a few more questions soon.

TIA, Steve