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Bokkie
02-20-2005, 11:52 AM
I've just been reading through the GPS 10 technical manual on Garmin's website. Can someone explain the sensor configuration program to me? The way I think it works is like this:
You run it on the desktop and use it to pre-configure the GPS 10. I say that as the app looks like it is only available in desktop format?
If that's the case, I don't have any BT cards on my desktop, so what would be the point of running that program, unless the configuration is sync'ed to the PDA and from there the Que program picks up its contents and 'flashes' them to the GPS 10? Is that how it works?
Originally posted by Bokkie
I've just been reading through the GPS 10 technical manual on Garmin's website. Can someone explain the sensor configuration program to me? The way I think it works is like this:
You run it on the desktop and use it to pre-configure the GPS 10. I say that as the app looks like it is only available in desktop format?
If that's the case, I don't have any BT cards on my desktop, so what would be the point of running that program, unless the configuration is sync'ed to the PDA and from there the Que program picks up its contents and 'flashes' them to the GPS 10? Is that how it works?
You are correct, it only works on the PC. I happen to have a USB BT dongle, so it was no problem for me. I suspect that Garmin will have to include support for this app from the PPC at some point.
However, that said, I suspect that if you can find a good terminal program for the PPC, you could open the BT Com port and send the sentences directly.
Bokkie
02-20-2005, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by OWG
You are correct, it only works on the PC. I happen to have a USB BT dongle, so it was no problem for me. I suspect that Garmin will have to include support for this app from the PPC at some point.
However, that said, I suspect that if you can find a good terminal program for the PPC, you could open the BT Com port and send the sentences directly.
Black-nosed sewer agent,
Is the sensor program essential to the use of the GPS 10?
Curious Cat
02-20-2005, 01:20 PM
I think one of the main uses is to switch the unit from NMEA mode to Garmin mode, at least that seems to be a common use for this utility prior to the GPS 10.
Originally posted by Bokkie
Black-nosed sewer agent,
Is the sensor program essential to the use of the GPS 10?
It is essential if you want auto-on and auto-off with the power. The NMEA/Garmin thing doesn't matter. The Que applications always initiate Garmin protocol, If you don't start the Que software after a power-up then it is in NMEA mode. By the way, this is theoretical, not proven ;) .
Bokkie
02-20-2005, 01:39 PM
It sounds consistent with the cfQue. Let me explain, we know the M5 and GPS 10 do not use the same applications as the version numbers are different and the M5 routes to contacts which neither the GPS 10 and cfQue can do. The GPS 10 uses the same version of software as the cfQue and we know the cfQue uses Garmin's proprietery format, that is Garmin mode.
If the apps are the same version then it looks like Garmin mode is what the GPS 10 has to use as that is the only option on the cfQue? Does that sound correct?
So, when the GPS 10 is switched on, it runs in NMEA mode but as soon as you switch to the Garmin Que program, it has to switch into Garmin mode. But once switched how do you get back to NMEA mode?
Is this where you need to run the sensor configuration program again, or is there something on the device to reset it (power off/on for example) or does the Que program switch it back to NMEA mode?
Originally posted by Bokkie
It sounds consistent with the cfQue. Let me explain, we know the M5 and GPS 10 do not use the same applications as the version numbers are different and the M5 routes to contacts which neither the GPS 10 and cfQue can do. The GPS 10 uses the same version of software as the cfQue and we know the cfQue uses Garmin's proprietery format, that is Garmin mode.
If the apps are the same version then it looks like Garmin mode is what the GPS 10 has to use as that is the only option on the cfQue? Does that sound correct?
So, when the GPS 10 is switched on, it runs in NMEA mode but as soon as you switch to the Garmin Que program, it has to switch into Garmin mode. But once switched how do you get back to NMEA mode?
Is this where you need to run the sensor configuration program again, or is there something on the device to reset it (power off/on for example) or does the Que program switch it back to NMEA mode?
To get it back to NMEA mode, close the Que app, cycle the power to the GPS 10.
Bokkie
02-20-2005, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by OWG
To get it back to NMEA mode, close the Que app, cycle the power to the GPS 10.
And that is done where? On the 'missing' Interface tab that's been reported and that was instantiated using the recent registry hack?
Originally posted by Bokkie
And that is done where? On the 'missing' Interface tab that's been reported and that was instantiated using the recent registry hack?
Ummm....the button on top of it...:confused:
I was going to suggest the same thing, but I thought that was like asking the blonde secretary that was always putting WhiteOut on her monitor and one morning all she saw were white spots all over her screen...."is the monitor plugged in?"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
JB
Bokkie
02-21-2005, 01:04 PM
So what you guys are saying, is that you press a button and that's it? That would certainly explain the somewheat tongue-in-cheek replies.
Originally posted by Bokkie
So what you guys are saying, is that you press a button and that's it? That would certainly explain the somewheat tongue-in-cheek replies.
That is it. And the tongue-in-cheek thing is ok as long as it's my tongue and my cheek, or my wifes, but I won't go there....:p
Bokkie
02-21-2005, 02:11 PM
Thanks rat-faced-black-nosed-pointy-faced-sewer-resident for the intellectual explanation of the reset!:D :D
kelsdogz
02-23-2005, 07:35 PM
Just a little more to share info on the snsrcfg.....
Asked about DGPS,Autolocate, and Power Saver mode options.
I keep poking at Garmin and this is the last thing they shared............
>>DGPS mode will allow the unit to receive corrected satellite data which is called WAAS. This information will provide the end user with a greater estimation of position.
Set autolocate will clear the unit of its Almanac data which tells the unit where satellites are positioned an so forth. If a unit is lost this data will be cleared and new data will be retrieved.
Battery saver mode will disable WAAS and limit the frequency the unit searches for satellites from every 1sec. to approx. every 6 sec.
Best Regards,
Jeff Johnson
Product Support Specialist
GARMIN International
1200 E. 151st Street
Olathe, KS 66062
1-800-800-1020
http://www.garmin.com
Fax 1-913-440-5488
Originally posted by kelsdogz
Just a little more to share info on the snsrcfg.....
Asked about DGPS,Autolocate, and Power Saver mode options.
I keep poking at Garmin and this is the last thing they shared............
>>DGPS mode will allow the unit to receive corrected satellite data which is called WAAS. This information will provide the end user with a greater estimation of position.
Set autolocate will clear the unit of its Almanac data which tells the unit where satellites are positioned an so forth. If a unit is lost this data will be cleared and new data will be retrieved.
Battery saver mode will disable WAAS and limit the frequency the unit searches for satellites from every 1sec. to approx. every 6 sec.
Best Regards,
Jeff Johnson
Product Support Specialist
GARMIN International
1200 E. 151st Street
Olathe, KS 66062
1-800-800-1020
http://www.garmin.com
Fax 1-913-440-5488
Now, if they would just make it in a PPC app......:confused:
JMckie
02-24-2005, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by OWG
Now, if they would just make it in a PPC app......:confused:
Maybe they have left the PPC sensor config, as we see in many textbooks, as an "exercise for the reader".
Maybe the speculative SDK will allow users to write one themselves.
JMckie
02-28-2005, 12:20 PM
I noticed that snsrcfg can be used to communicate with other model GPS's using a serial connection. Can anyone try listening in on this connection so we can see what message it is that it sends to switch the receiver from Garmin mode to NMEA mode?
Originally posted by JMckie
I noticed that snsrcfg can be used to communicate with other model GPS's using a serial connection. Can anyone try listening in on this connection so we can see what message it is that it sends to switch the receiver from Garmin mode to NMEA mode?
I would be more than happy to try this. Do you have an app in mind that can do this? Is there an Xtalk or similar app for the PPC?
Bokkie
03-04-2005, 11:21 AM
Welcome back Rat-Droppings! It was getting so quiet here I was starting to post again on the iQue forum.:eek:
Originally posted by JMckie
I noticed that snsrcfg can be used to communicate with other model GPS's using a serial connection. Can anyone try listening in on this connection so we can see what message it is that it sends to switch the receiver from Garmin mode to NMEA mode?
You don't need to listen on the connection to find out the message for the GPS10, it is well documented in the GPS10 reference manual (you can find it on Garmin site). If you want to switch other GPSs, it could be different. I'm not sure if all Garmin GPS can be controlled in this way.
JMckie
03-04-2005, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Kaba
You don't need to listen on the connection to find out the message for the GPS10, it is well documented in the GPS10 reference manual (you can find it on Garmin site). If you want to switch other GPSs, it could be different. I'm not sure if all Garmin GPS can be controlled in this way.
"what message it is that it sends to switch the receiver from Garmin mode to NMEA mode? "
I couldn't find it in the manual. Do you see it somewhere?
Curious Cat
03-04-2005, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by JMckie
"what message it is that it sends to switch the receiver from Garmin mode to NMEA mode? "
I couldn't find it in the manual. Do you see it somewhere?
NMEA 0183 version 2.30 mode indicator, 1 = Off, 2 = On
The $PGRMC1 sentence provides additional information used to configure the GPS sensor operation. Configuration parameters are stored in non-volatile memory and retained between power cycles. The GPS sensor will echo this sentence upon its receipt if no errors are detected. If an error is detected, the echoed PGRMC1 sentence will contain the current default values. Current default values can also be obtained by sending $PGRMC1E to the GPS sensor.
If the GPS sensor is in the Binary data mode, it is necessary to send the following eight-byte data stream to temporarily change the data format to NMEA 0183. Then follow by sending a PGRMC1 sentence that turns off the Binary Phase Output Data format:
10 0A 02 26 00 CE 10 03 (Hexadecimal)
JMckie
03-04-2005, 06:03 PM
Thanks CC.
There you go Bokkie, your first assignment: snsrcfg for the PPC.
Originally posted by JMckie
Thanks CC.
There you go Bokkie, your first assignment: snsrcfg for the PPC.
Yeah, that would be a GREAT app for you to write :) ! Let me know when you have it done!
BTW Bokkie, thanks for the welcome back. I missed your eyes most of all!
Bokkie
03-05-2005, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by JMckie
Thanks CC.
There you go Bokkie, your first assignment: snsrcfg for the PPC.
Joseph & Rat-pellets,
I see what you guys are after, but there is a teeny little problem to resolve...if either of you have a spare GPS 10, please send it to me. They are as scarce as hen's teeth in the UK at this moment. One shop told me there are adverts for it, but there are no stocks until maybe 2 weeks time. Unitl then, donations gratefully received!
Edit: sorry gentlemen, but I missed the plot somewhere. If the snsrcfg program already exists for the GPS 10, what would be the advantage of reinventing the wheel?
Edit #2: I just reread this thread from the top. it seems a sensrcfg program is needed for the PPC as well? Is that the motivation for writing one?
JMckie
03-05-2005, 05:27 AM
I may have to wait a bit too as it is out of stock at gpscity.ca. But the price is good! Garmin should take heed that this bluetooth thing is very popular. Maybe if they realize this they will hurry up and BT-enable their other products.
Motivation 1: You can switch back and forth from Que apps to 3rd party NMEA apps without having to power cycle the GPS 10.
Motivation 2: If you find snsrcng useful at all, it would be nice to be able to run it without having a laptop around.
Originally posted by JMckie
I may have to wait a bit too as it is out of stock at gpscity.ca. But the price is good! Garmin should take heed that this bluetooth thing is very popular. Maybe if they realize this they will hurry up and BT-enable their other products.
Motivation 1: You can switch back and forth from Que apps to 3rd party NMEA apps without having to power cycle the GPS 10.
Motivation 2: If you find snsrcng useful at all, it would be nice to be able to run it without having a laptop around.
Joseph, it is instock if you buy the deluxe here (http://www.gpscity.ca/item-garmin-gps-10-bluetooth-deluxe/10dlx.htm) . I would recommend that if you don't have something with the Que app already. The other that is out of stock comes with no software whatsoever.
ipaq_gps10
05-23-2006, 11:26 AM
Hi
I read this thread with interest since a PPC-based SNSRCFG programme is exactly what I require. At the moment it seems that my GPS10 is not starting up in NMEA mode, even when configured to do so using the PC based SNSRCFG - my 3rd party application won't see it at all unless I use SNSRCFG to manually change modes first. This is without starting Que first. Does a PPC version exist yet - it would certainly be useful!
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