IAUDI
05-06-2005, 03:15 PM
Please help me in the search!
Has anyone found/made a way to have Bluetooth work with the Ique and the Garmin maps?
Has anyone found/made a way to have Bluetooth work with the Ique and the Garmin maps?
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rkevwill
05-06-2005, 04:55 PM
um...no
The Ique 3600 has no bluetooth. The Garmin M5 does.
The Ique 3600 has no bluetooth. The Garmin M5 does.
IAUDI
05-09-2005, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by rkevwill
um...no
The Ique 3600 has no bluetooth. The Garmin M5 does.
I must have mis-explained my-self.
I know the ique doesn't have bt but, has anybody worked out a hack for it?
I guess my answear is no?
um...no
The Ique 3600 has no bluetooth. The Garmin M5 does.
I must have mis-explained my-self.
I know the ique doesn't have bt but, has anybody worked out a hack for it?
I guess my answear is no?
rkevwill
05-09-2005, 12:01 PM
Correct, no. Perhaps some day if the Ique gets sdio, maybe some type of sd bluetooth card will work. Probably before that happens, a new version of the Ique will come out cloning the M5, and have bluetooth already built in, but on the Palm OS. Time will tell. For now, I just comfort myself with the 3600 the way it is. I nice compact navigation aid that stores and finds my contacts, and plays some MP3's for me while navigating on the Highway:)
Moose Man
05-09-2005, 12:44 PM
I'm still thinking that Garmin will abandon the Palm OS since the new Life Drive device will be out later this month with a 4GB hardrive and couple it with a GPS 10 and then you'd have something.
This way you could move or have all of the maps on one device and Garmin would only have to worry about software and not hardware issues which with the # of RMA's generated because of the Que - well focus on your core business Garmin.
This way you could move or have all of the maps on one device and Garmin would only have to worry about software and not hardware issues which with the # of RMA's generated because of the Que - well focus on your core business Garmin.
IAUDI
05-09-2005, 12:46 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rkevwill
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Thanks.
"Perhaps some day ..." We can only pray.
:(
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Thanks.
"Perhaps some day ..." We can only pray.
:(
apersson850
05-09-2005, 03:58 PM
The thing about "core business" is just hype. An invention by graduated economists, who usually don't know how to run a business.
As soon as the going gets tough in the industry, then companies with a diversity in their profile are suddenly popular (and live longer) again.
Don't forget that making hardware is just as much a "core business" at Garmin, as writing the necessary software for these pieces of hardware. Then of course everyone can be less successful now and then. Learning costs, but pays off in wisdom.
As soon as the going gets tough in the industry, then companies with a diversity in their profile are suddenly popular (and live longer) again.
Don't forget that making hardware is just as much a "core business" at Garmin, as writing the necessary software for these pieces of hardware. Then of course everyone can be less successful now and then. Learning costs, but pays off in wisdom.
Ken in Regina
05-09-2005, 11:06 PM
I disagree, Anders. "Core business" is a very useful concept when used appropriately. Just like any other tool, it can be misused and abused. But poor use by fools does not make it a bad concept.
Like anything else, there is a line beyond which "diversity" simply equals "unmanagable confusion".
A good, bad, case in point is Nortel Networks. In the late 90's they decided they were going to be all things to all customers. One-stop shopping for all conceivable communications requirements. And installation services. And maintenance services. And financing. And....
They decided to acquire this diversity rather than grow into it.
Before this expansion, they already had much diversity in their products and services, but there was still an identifiable "core" approach to their business. After this rapid expansion it was impossible to identify what business they were in, so the folks at the working level were pulled in many different directions, depending upon who had the ear of the executive committee at any given time.
If they had had any degree of success in integrating all of these acquisitions into their business, they still would have had no identificable direction to manage towards.
They might have had some success if they had decided to establish a holding company and staff it with executives who understand how to manage conglomerates, but they chose to do it as a single company with neither mission nor direction.
It's no surprise their share price went from US$120 to 60 cents (and 100,000 employees world-wide to 50,000) in just one year.
Incompetent use of a tool does not negate its intrinsic value.
Like anything else, there is a line beyond which "diversity" simply equals "unmanagable confusion".
A good, bad, case in point is Nortel Networks. In the late 90's they decided they were going to be all things to all customers. One-stop shopping for all conceivable communications requirements. And installation services. And maintenance services. And financing. And....
They decided to acquire this diversity rather than grow into it.
Before this expansion, they already had much diversity in their products and services, but there was still an identifiable "core" approach to their business. After this rapid expansion it was impossible to identify what business they were in, so the folks at the working level were pulled in many different directions, depending upon who had the ear of the executive committee at any given time.
If they had had any degree of success in integrating all of these acquisitions into their business, they still would have had no identificable direction to manage towards.
They might have had some success if they had decided to establish a holding company and staff it with executives who understand how to manage conglomerates, but they chose to do it as a single company with neither mission nor direction.
It's no surprise their share price went from US$120 to 60 cents (and 100,000 employees world-wide to 50,000) in just one year.
Incompetent use of a tool does not negate its intrinsic value.
rkevwill
05-09-2005, 11:16 PM
well, I think I have to side with Anders on this one. Remember, garmin does not physically make the Ique, its made by contract manufacturers. Its also the same basic construction as the M5. Apparently the guts work in both, for both systems. If they can make a profit on an updated 3600, I bet they do it. (how many bets we have going now?) After all, the basic OS is already there. The technology is already there. And the manufacturer and the case is already there. Why not!?
apersson850
05-10-2005, 02:02 AM
Of course there are always more than two sides of a coin, when you penetrate a question thoroughly. However, I still claim that you can manage more than one "core", within the same company, provided you make the correct organization for it. Then you may argue that it's like having several companies, each with its own "core", operating under a common canopy.
If you want examples proving my point, I could give you several, in different scales, but perhaps it's only Sony Ericsson you've heard about, since the others are more local Swedish companies.
These discussions will tend to be too long here, so I'll not elaborate further on that.
Palm is not making the iQue, no, since it's a Garmin product. I'm under the impression that Garmin makes the hardware themselves, as they have a manufacturing plant in Taiwan. They make the other things there.
If you want examples proving my point, I could give you several, in different scales, but perhaps it's only Sony Ericsson you've heard about, since the others are more local Swedish companies.
These discussions will tend to be too long here, so I'll not elaborate further on that.
Palm is not making the iQue, no, since it's a Garmin product. I'm under the impression that Garmin makes the hardware themselves, as they have a manufacturing plant in Taiwan. They make the other things there.
rkevwill
05-10-2005, 08:20 AM
Anders, sorry, I mis-spoke. And have now corrected. I have read several times, that the same outfit that makes the Ipaq and treo makes the garmin. My statement should have been GARMIN does not make the 3600 (or so I have read)
If you know or discover I am wrong about this, yell at me to wake me up. I bellieve the last time I read that point, it was in a review of the M5 not long ago.
If you know or discover I am wrong about this, yell at me to wake me up. I bellieve the last time I read that point, it was in a review of the M5 not long ago.
Moose Man
05-10-2005, 09:29 AM
I make one little comment about core business and it gets blown all of out whack. Gee that's why I love this forum.
RK,
I believe you are referring to HTC as the actual hardware manufacturer of the Que? They are a Taiwan based company which makes many devices but markets very few.
And what I meant to say about Garmin sticking to "core" is that they do much better in segments that they had prior to it's "off" track test with the PDA. The Trek and Street Pilot series was their real bread and butter for the "retail" segment of the populus.
The Que was a good device but they would now be hard pressed to follow up with one given the other devices they now have such as the Street Pilot 2620 or 2660 or the C320? etc.
Focus on manufacturing contained devices and then create the software for the new Life Drive (which I will have one as soon as possible) and let the PDA/Mobile Manager category be handled by the other Hardware marketers of the P1 type.
RK,
I believe you are referring to HTC as the actual hardware manufacturer of the Que? They are a Taiwan based company which makes many devices but markets very few.
And what I meant to say about Garmin sticking to "core" is that they do much better in segments that they had prior to it's "off" track test with the PDA. The Trek and Street Pilot series was their real bread and butter for the "retail" segment of the populus.
The Que was a good device but they would now be hard pressed to follow up with one given the other devices they now have such as the Street Pilot 2620 or 2660 or the C320? etc.
Focus on manufacturing contained devices and then create the software for the new Life Drive (which I will have one as soon as possible) and let the PDA/Mobile Manager category be handled by the other Hardware marketers of the P1 type.
JMckie
05-10-2005, 09:56 AM
IMO, core business focus is a good general business rule of thumb, but it is not a hard and fast law. The interpretation is different for every company.
Without access to Garmin's financials, I have to side with the Moose, et al. on this topic. Common sense and observation tells me that:
- Garmin is a relative newbie in making PDAs. Although the iQue 3600 was advanced for its time, it took them so long to produce the M5, that the PDA underpowered compared to current Compaq, Dell, Asus, Loox offerings
- It is unlikely that Garmin R&D for PDAs can ever keep pace with those big companies who have multiple product lines. Any new PDAs will always be behind the curve.
- Garmin doesn't know how to market these PDAs. They are selling them like their other commercial GPS units, not in the sales channels for PDAs. Most consumers don't even know Garmin makes PDAs.
- Prior to the GPS 10, they are ignoring a market 100X to 1000X the size of customers who bought the iQue. They have lost untold revenue and marketshare because they did not have any products to offer to existing PDA and smartphone owners. As it stands, they are way in the back of the pack of TomTom, etc. when it comes to market share and consumer awareness.
Without access to Garmin's financials, I have to side with the Moose, et al. on this topic. Common sense and observation tells me that:
- Garmin is a relative newbie in making PDAs. Although the iQue 3600 was advanced for its time, it took them so long to produce the M5, that the PDA underpowered compared to current Compaq, Dell, Asus, Loox offerings
- It is unlikely that Garmin R&D for PDAs can ever keep pace with those big companies who have multiple product lines. Any new PDAs will always be behind the curve.
- Garmin doesn't know how to market these PDAs. They are selling them like their other commercial GPS units, not in the sales channels for PDAs. Most consumers don't even know Garmin makes PDAs.
- Prior to the GPS 10, they are ignoring a market 100X to 1000X the size of customers who bought the iQue. They have lost untold revenue and marketshare because they did not have any products to offer to existing PDA and smartphone owners. As it stands, they are way in the back of the pack of TomTom, etc. when it comes to market share and consumer awareness.
Moose Man
05-10-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by JMckie
Without access to Garmin's financials, I have to side with the Moose, et al. on this topic. Common sense and observation tells me that:
Well this is the definitive statement, well said JMcKie. :D
Not about the part of siding with me because only fools rush in but your bullet points are right on the money.
Garmin is missing a large segement of the market that TomTom, Delorme and other's have captured.
I think if they will get the GPS 10 to work with software to other Palm OS devices - then they will have a good chance to capture a lot of market share that they have previously missed.
This may have been part of the reason that the Que didn't have BT but the trend is now to BT and Wifi devices. With the reality (soon) of the Life Drive and hard drive truly mobile devices unless Garmin has something "hanging" for release that will knock our socks off, they need to stay "focused on their core" business.
Don't get me wrong, I've got 3 Garmin products and have purchased many other's as gifts, but I don't think that I would ever buy another "converged" device from them because I don't believe they can design a PDA/Converged device that will satisfy me.
The Que, although good, should still of had either BT or Wifi - at the bare minimum SDIO. It would then still be current.
At the moment, if I were a consumer looking for a PDA and GPS system, I'd go with either a Treo 650 with an add on BT receiver or a T5 with an add on reciever. I would not buy a Que or for that matter a M5 because they are somewhat behind the curve.
I would like to see them come out with a receiver bundled with a Palm OS interface so that I could take advantage of their software on my handheld of choice.
Without access to Garmin's financials, I have to side with the Moose, et al. on this topic. Common sense and observation tells me that:
Well this is the definitive statement, well said JMcKie. :D
Not about the part of siding with me because only fools rush in but your bullet points are right on the money.
Garmin is missing a large segement of the market that TomTom, Delorme and other's have captured.
I think if they will get the GPS 10 to work with software to other Palm OS devices - then they will have a good chance to capture a lot of market share that they have previously missed.
This may have been part of the reason that the Que didn't have BT but the trend is now to BT and Wifi devices. With the reality (soon) of the Life Drive and hard drive truly mobile devices unless Garmin has something "hanging" for release that will knock our socks off, they need to stay "focused on their core" business.
Don't get me wrong, I've got 3 Garmin products and have purchased many other's as gifts, but I don't think that I would ever buy another "converged" device from them because I don't believe they can design a PDA/Converged device that will satisfy me.
The Que, although good, should still of had either BT or Wifi - at the bare minimum SDIO. It would then still be current.
At the moment, if I were a consumer looking for a PDA and GPS system, I'd go with either a Treo 650 with an add on BT receiver or a T5 with an add on reciever. I would not buy a Que or for that matter a M5 because they are somewhat behind the curve.
I would like to see them come out with a receiver bundled with a Palm OS interface so that I could take advantage of their software on my handheld of choice.
apersson850
05-10-2005, 11:57 AM
Now your replies have clarified your points to me, and I'll have to say you make sense perfectly.
I want you to understand that I don't think it's a bad idea to be good at what you do. If you can't handle more, then it may be a good idea to stay with what you have, for a moment.
My idea is basically that cutting off branches of your company tree, by selling or outsourcing, invariably leads to loss of knowledge within the company. It's the knowledge, buried in the minds of your personnel, that's your single most valuable asset. Especially since it does take some time to acquire. Consultants, sure, but they don't know it as well as you do. Not immediately, at least.
But if the branch is rotten, then let it go, of course.
I agree about that the marketing of the iQue, and perhaps the sales channels as well, could be handled better. I also know several people, myself included, who are perfectly happy with the PDA performance the iQue can deliver. I upgraded from an old Palm V, so that may get you a feeling for what I was used to have.
Also, the integration of the GPS into the PDA attracted me, as well as the fact that I was already a Garmin owner, which meant that it could share maps with my previous receiver.
By the way, all iQues are indeed manufactured at Garmin's facility in Taipei, Taiwan. Together with their other GPS units.
I want you to understand that I don't think it's a bad idea to be good at what you do. If you can't handle more, then it may be a good idea to stay with what you have, for a moment.
My idea is basically that cutting off branches of your company tree, by selling or outsourcing, invariably leads to loss of knowledge within the company. It's the knowledge, buried in the minds of your personnel, that's your single most valuable asset. Especially since it does take some time to acquire. Consultants, sure, but they don't know it as well as you do. Not immediately, at least.
But if the branch is rotten, then let it go, of course.
I agree about that the marketing of the iQue, and perhaps the sales channels as well, could be handled better. I also know several people, myself included, who are perfectly happy with the PDA performance the iQue can deliver. I upgraded from an old Palm V, so that may get you a feeling for what I was used to have.
Also, the integration of the GPS into the PDA attracted me, as well as the fact that I was already a Garmin owner, which meant that it could share maps with my previous receiver.
By the way, all iQues are indeed manufactured at Garmin's facility in Taipei, Taiwan. Together with their other GPS units.
Moose Man
05-10-2005, 02:55 PM
Agreed!
I thought that Garmin physically made the Que but RK's reference, I wasn't sure if HTC made it for Garmin or not.
Let's hope that the marketing channels will come up with something akin to the GPS 10 that will work on a Palm and not just the PPC or PC devices that it's targeted for.
I thought that Garmin physically made the Que but RK's reference, I wasn't sure if HTC made it for Garmin or not.
Let's hope that the marketing channels will come up with something akin to the GPS 10 that will work on a Palm and not just the PPC or PC devices that it's targeted for.
rkevwill
05-10-2005, 03:18 PM
Then I stand corrected, and slapped silly. (you guys love knockin around the old guy don't ya!!) I can't remember distinctly enough where I read that it was made by HTC (and moose, that is indeed who they referenced) but it was long enough ago, that my memory is fuzzy on the issue.
I would completely agree with you, that if they are going to make some type of converged device, it would be best left to a receiver to connect via bluetooth etc, to a palm or PPC device. That would certainly be better for me, and most of us techies on here.
If you stand back and think about it, the Ique, or the GPS10 or M5, is NOT really something for newbies or non tech types. It takes a learning curve, in both the software and the OS itself. A lady friend of ours asked me what device she should purchase, cause she was thinking of my Ique I used on a trip she accompanied us on. I told her to get one of the C320/330, quest, or one of the other devices. I think those devices have much less of a learning curve for GPS beginners. At least they wouldn't have to learn the Palm or PPC OS along with the GPS functions.
After all, if a Chinese basketball player can find his way in the desert with a Garmin GPS, they can't be TOO hard to use!! (anyone ever find out if he actually paid for that gas?)
Oh, and Moose, I'm gonna look at the lifedrive reviews, and also plan on getting one soon. Lets just hope the new Palm GPS10 supports the full screen, and not just the treo screen.
I would completely agree with you, that if they are going to make some type of converged device, it would be best left to a receiver to connect via bluetooth etc, to a palm or PPC device. That would certainly be better for me, and most of us techies on here.
If you stand back and think about it, the Ique, or the GPS10 or M5, is NOT really something for newbies or non tech types. It takes a learning curve, in both the software and the OS itself. A lady friend of ours asked me what device she should purchase, cause she was thinking of my Ique I used on a trip she accompanied us on. I told her to get one of the C320/330, quest, or one of the other devices. I think those devices have much less of a learning curve for GPS beginners. At least they wouldn't have to learn the Palm or PPC OS along with the GPS functions.
After all, if a Chinese basketball player can find his way in the desert with a Garmin GPS, they can't be TOO hard to use!! (anyone ever find out if he actually paid for that gas?)
Oh, and Moose, I'm gonna look at the lifedrive reviews, and also plan on getting one soon. Lets just hope the new Palm GPS10 supports the full screen, and not just the treo screen.
apersson850
05-10-2005, 05:06 PM
I can see no reason whatsoever to buy the iQue, if you want a GPS only, and don't care at all about the PDA functionality. As you say, there are a lot of different GPS units, which most certainly will do the GPS job, and if not do it better, then at least do it in a slightly more understandable way.
Myself, who do want a unit, that does fit into a pocket, can keep track of appointments and phone numbers, show the pictures from my digital camera's SD card, execute a spreadsheet, be customized with Fastfinger buttons, play a game to pass some time whilst waiting at an airport, download a new program into an operator panel from Beijer Electronics, and so on, and also work well as a GPS for car navigation, and also be useful as a handheld GPS, and record a voice memo now and then, and play a ... ehrrr, what do you call it in English, spoken book? ... and tell me how much time there's left to the next airport and keep records of all members in the orienteering club, where I'm a secretary, and carry the meeting minutes (exported from the PC, as a Word document) and function as a handheld calculator, show my position on a scanned orienteering map, download the latest news from a web news channel, calculate a suitable route along the subways, measure the performance of a car and last, but not least, do Sun & Moon as well as Hunt & Fish, and all this in one single unit (no cords, no separate BT device to keep powered), I can't say I'm disappointed with the iQue.
The 3600 did start to feel a bit small, with the memory it has, but then I got hold of the 3600a, and the 2.5 times larger memory there is fully appropriate for my needs. Especially since the voice guidance and the basemap goes into the flash memory, and thus doesn't compete for space on neither the card nor in internal memory.
Myself, who do want a unit, that does fit into a pocket, can keep track of appointments and phone numbers, show the pictures from my digital camera's SD card, execute a spreadsheet, be customized with Fastfinger buttons, play a game to pass some time whilst waiting at an airport, download a new program into an operator panel from Beijer Electronics, and so on, and also work well as a GPS for car navigation, and also be useful as a handheld GPS, and record a voice memo now and then, and play a ... ehrrr, what do you call it in English, spoken book? ... and tell me how much time there's left to the next airport and keep records of all members in the orienteering club, where I'm a secretary, and carry the meeting minutes (exported from the PC, as a Word document) and function as a handheld calculator, show my position on a scanned orienteering map, download the latest news from a web news channel, calculate a suitable route along the subways, measure the performance of a car and last, but not least, do Sun & Moon as well as Hunt & Fish, and all this in one single unit (no cords, no separate BT device to keep powered), I can't say I'm disappointed with the iQue.
The 3600 did start to feel a bit small, with the memory it has, but then I got hold of the 3600a, and the 2.5 times larger memory there is fully appropriate for my needs. Especially since the voice guidance and the basemap goes into the flash memory, and thus doesn't compete for space on neither the card nor in internal memory.
rkevwill
05-10-2005, 05:47 PM
Yep Anders, agree with everything you say. Its nice to have a simple device for a change. I like simple elegance:)
King Rhoton
05-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by apersson850
I can see no reason whatsoever to buy the iQue, if you want a GPS. As you say, there are a lot of different GPS units, which most certainly will do the GPS job, and if not do it better, then at least do it in a slightly more understandable way.
While I do appreciate the thought that went into this post, I must disagree. I, for one, bought the iQue specifically as a GPS device. I was upgrading from an original Street Pilot, and the iQue addressed all of my complaints about the Street Pilot:
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The iQue allowed me to enter street addresses by writing rather than navigating the alphabet with a clumsy 4-way switch. This maddening switch still seems quite prevalent throughout Garmin's offerings.
The iQue would recalculate a route if I missed a turn.
The iQue used industry-standard SD memory for maps (available in useful capacities) rather than the proprietary Street Pilot sticks (which maxxed out at 32MB when I was using them).
The iQue came with a high-capacity battery that automatically recharged when it was docked.
The iQue easily fit in a shirt pocket, whereas the Street Pilot was bulky.
The iQue used USB rather than pokey serial--handy for the large maps I'd be loading onto SD.
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While I admit there are other solutions in the market that address these desires of mine, very few of them addressed all of them, and even fewer were from Garmin (a name I trust). I've gotten tons of use from my iQue as a GPS and also as a portable, searchable, routable map source--especially given the included POI database, and the Palm OS compatibility is something that I've only started to exploit: using it as my mp3 player, taking notes, and games, games, games in the airport. I think the iQue really is an elegant solution, even if all you want is GPS. I do agree that the sheer number of things it can do (even just considering the bundled Garmin software's capabilities) can be intimdating to a new user, but the rewards are quite high. Maybe I'm just too keen to have a tool that's more than I can handle initially, if it means that there's a bigger payoff in the long run.
Granted, this is getting pretty far afield from the original topic, which was Bluetooth....
I can see no reason whatsoever to buy the iQue, if you want a GPS. As you say, there are a lot of different GPS units, which most certainly will do the GPS job, and if not do it better, then at least do it in a slightly more understandable way.
While I do appreciate the thought that went into this post, I must disagree. I, for one, bought the iQue specifically as a GPS device. I was upgrading from an original Street Pilot, and the iQue addressed all of my complaints about the Street Pilot:
[list=1]
The iQue allowed me to enter street addresses by writing rather than navigating the alphabet with a clumsy 4-way switch. This maddening switch still seems quite prevalent throughout Garmin's offerings.
The iQue would recalculate a route if I missed a turn.
The iQue used industry-standard SD memory for maps (available in useful capacities) rather than the proprietary Street Pilot sticks (which maxxed out at 32MB when I was using them).
The iQue came with a high-capacity battery that automatically recharged when it was docked.
The iQue easily fit in a shirt pocket, whereas the Street Pilot was bulky.
The iQue used USB rather than pokey serial--handy for the large maps I'd be loading onto SD.
[/list=1]
While I admit there are other solutions in the market that address these desires of mine, very few of them addressed all of them, and even fewer were from Garmin (a name I trust). I've gotten tons of use from my iQue as a GPS and also as a portable, searchable, routable map source--especially given the included POI database, and the Palm OS compatibility is something that I've only started to exploit: using it as my mp3 player, taking notes, and games, games, games in the airport. I think the iQue really is an elegant solution, even if all you want is GPS. I do agree that the sheer number of things it can do (even just considering the bundled Garmin software's capabilities) can be intimdating to a new user, but the rewards are quite high. Maybe I'm just too keen to have a tool that's more than I can handle initially, if it means that there's a bigger payoff in the long run.
Granted, this is getting pretty far afield from the original topic, which was Bluetooth....
rkevwill
05-10-2005, 09:58 PM
In defense of Anders, from the great white north of Scandinavia, I think you misunderstood his meaning. He meant, as a SOLE GPS device, there is no reason to buy an Ique. There are simpler devices for newbies. Especially with the new Garmin units.
He then went on to explain why he liked the Ique so much. So basically, you, Anders, and I, agree on everything. Well, at least as far as the niceties of the Ique :)
Seems like you moved from the street pilot for the EXACT same reasons as I did, and I had no previous palm experience at all. However, I am quite a techy, so jumped in with both feet.
Ya know what though, it still would be nice if the next ique comes out with an sdio slot, and bluetooth, like the M5 :) And I for one, am bettin it will happen. (looks like I am in the minority though, maybe I should take some real bets here LOL)
He then went on to explain why he liked the Ique so much. So basically, you, Anders, and I, agree on everything. Well, at least as far as the niceties of the Ique :)
Seems like you moved from the street pilot for the EXACT same reasons as I did, and I had no previous palm experience at all. However, I am quite a techy, so jumped in with both feet.
Ya know what though, it still would be nice if the next ique comes out with an sdio slot, and bluetooth, like the M5 :) And I for one, am bettin it will happen. (looks like I am in the minority though, maybe I should take some real bets here LOL)
apersson850
05-11-2005, 01:33 AM
Yes, that's correct. I meant if you want a GPS only. I've edited my post to avoid further confusion about that.
What I want to point out is that the iQue adds a lot to the GPS concept. But if you don't want anything of that, it will just add bewilderment.
I also think that they'll have to either issue a more complete iQue, or let the concept die. As far as I've understood, the M5 is not to change from Palm OS to PPC, but to include customers who prefer either Palm or PPC. So the M5 isn't to be taken as a sign of abandoning the Palm platform.
Now if it's like some of you say, i.e. that Palm didn't get the WiFi thing, then nothing says that Garmin couldn't be the first to actually understand that it's a big thing for some users. Considering the security, or rather lack of, most home users, who do have an AP, apply to their setup, you can reach the internet virtually everywhere. Be it ethical or not.
In a magazine here, I read yesterday that one person, when asked about which ISP he uses, answered "Usually Default, sometimes Netgear or Topcom". "Default" is the SSID you get from D-Link, if you don't change it. Which companies manufacture the other two kinds of AP you can figure out for yourself.
Since most, perhaps all, of these devices are set to broadcast their SSID, and neither use WEP nor WPA, they are open like a barn door, as soon as you enable the wireless part in the AP.
What I want to point out is that the iQue adds a lot to the GPS concept. But if you don't want anything of that, it will just add bewilderment.
I also think that they'll have to either issue a more complete iQue, or let the concept die. As far as I've understood, the M5 is not to change from Palm OS to PPC, but to include customers who prefer either Palm or PPC. So the M5 isn't to be taken as a sign of abandoning the Palm platform.
Now if it's like some of you say, i.e. that Palm didn't get the WiFi thing, then nothing says that Garmin couldn't be the first to actually understand that it's a big thing for some users. Considering the security, or rather lack of, most home users, who do have an AP, apply to their setup, you can reach the internet virtually everywhere. Be it ethical or not.
In a magazine here, I read yesterday that one person, when asked about which ISP he uses, answered "Usually Default, sometimes Netgear or Topcom". "Default" is the SSID you get from D-Link, if you don't change it. Which companies manufacture the other two kinds of AP you can figure out for yourself.
Since most, perhaps all, of these devices are set to broadcast their SSID, and neither use WEP nor WPA, they are open like a barn door, as soon as you enable the wireless part in the AP.
NewQ
05-11-2005, 05:24 AM
Even without BT (I'll pull this baby back on topic ;) ) or SDIO, my iQue is the best tool I've ever purchased. For traveling, it's a great stress reliever compared to paper maps. Yes, it's not for the technically inept, or someone who expected "plug n play", although it can be mastered by anyone. Hmmm, "mastered"... after reading 10's of thousands of posts here, I still find out I haven't mastered it yet because I'm always finding that I missed something .
apersson850
05-11-2005, 05:54 AM
On the other hand, that's exactly why it's as good as it is. It has enough abilities and functions to allow (almost) everyone to find something for him.
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