What the GPS 10 OEM package includes

[Store]

I have ordered a GPS 10 OEM version from ASPID in Portugal. In an e-mail conversation the sales lady informed me:

The GPS 10 OEM, Package includes:
GPS 10 wireless receiver
MapSource® City Select North America CD-ROM with full coverage and full unlock
nRoute™ software for PC laptops
Que™ software for Pocket PCs
Integrated magnetic mount
Velcro mounting patch
12-volt adapter cable
Setup guide
Owner's manual

I doublechecked asking if they hadn't got things a little mixed up and then ordered the package.

Today the package arrived and it contained:
GPS 10 wireless receiver
Integrated magnetic mount
Velcro mounting patch
12-volt adapter cable
Setup guide

I am now in a conversation with ASPID to try to solve the problem.

What I really need is the Que software to work with the second serial number of my Garmin maps.

[AKlopper]

I don't have a GPS10, but can't you download the Que software from here?

http://www.garmin.com/support/collection.jsp?product=010-00378-00

[JMckie]

Originally posted by AKlopper
I don't have a GPS10, but can't you download the Que software from here?

http://www.garmin.com/support/collection.jsp?product=010-00378-00

Unfortunately this is just an update. From the download page:

An initial installation of the Garmin Que software for the Garmin GPS 10 must be completed before installing this update.

[Store]

I downloaded the 2.7 upgrade from Garmin, installed and it seems to work just fine. I registered my new GPS 10 serial number on the Garmin website and I have contact between the GPS and my old iPaq 3970. So I am off for a test drive. C U Soon.

[JMckie]

Originally posted by Store
I downloaded the 2.7 upgrade from Garmin, installed and it seems to work just fine. I registered my new GPS 10 serial number on the Garmin website and I have contact between the GPS and my old iPaq 3970. So I am off for a test drive. C U Soon.

Interesting! I'd love to hear more details. Let us know how your test drive went.

Are you able to use your extra City Select licenses with it?

[Store]

Works fine! This is what I have done.
I already own a Garmin GPSMAP 76CS and have a spare license for City Select Europe v7.
A few weeks ago I borrowed a CD from a friend who has a Garmin CF Que 1600 and installed on my iPaq, to study the look and feel of the Que software.
Then I ordered the GPS 10 OEM version from ASPID.
Uninstalled the CF Que software.
Removed some warnings with the Check Notifications Software I read about in another post.
Opened the package from ASPID and discovered there was no software included.
Started the GPS 10 and waited 5 minutes for a fix.
Set up the BlueTooth bond between the GPS 10 and the iPaq.
Got the GPS 10 to work fine with Fugawi on the iPaq.
Downloaded and installed Garmin Que for Pocket PC with GPS 10 Ver. 2.70 as of April 19, 2005.
Installed the Europe base map from my friends CD on my iPaq (I am not using it, it is just there.)
Registered my GPS 10 serial number with Garmin and got a new unlock code that I entered into Garmin Mapsource.
Installed City Select Maps to my iPaq using Mapsource.
Took off in my car.
Found my way home again.
And it works fine.

I noticed that the Que application disappeared from the iPaq screen a few times. I will hard reset the device in an few days and try again.:D

[JMckie]

How will this work for me?

As I understand it, as an iQue/Cityselect owner, I have two licenses to use. I am using one of them on the iQue 3600. If I bought the GPS 10 OEM, will I be able to use the other license to use detailed maps with the GPS 10?

And what are the mechanics of doing this?

[Store]

Originally posted by JMckie
How will this work for me?

As I understand it, as an iQue/Cityselect owner, I have two licenses to use. I am using one of them on the iQue 3600. If I bought the GPS 10 OEM, will I be able to use the other license to use detailed maps with the GPS 10?

And what are the mechanics of doing this?
Firstly, I am a bit curious why you would want to have two very similar products; iQue 3600 and GPS 10 (you haven't said that you will use the GPS 10 with a PDA, but that's what I assume since you are writing in this forum).

If I were you I would save the second license for another type of GPSr that you can use differently. I have a GPSMAP 76CS that is perfect for outdoor activities, it is waterproof and even floats and now an GPS 10 and PDA in the car.

Apart from that you should be able to use the same method that I used, as described above.

[jonasolof]

I interpret what Store says as follows: If you never had any Que software installed (1620 or other), you could simply download the Que software v.2.70 and start using it.

For detailed maps, you could use a second license from e.g. an earlier ique 3600 puchase. Actually, there isn't any reason why this shouldn't work. And if you have already used two licenses, it should be possible to buy a third license online from Garmin instead of buying a whole CD map pack which would give you two licenses.

(BTW, I just returned home, so I didn't have time to check why Que won't work with my GPS10-I just saw that there are more responses tho my thread about problmes with Que&GPS10).

[JMckie]

Store, in answer answer your question: for car #2.

Jonas, where can I find that 2nd license? All I remember is getting a single 25-digit unlock code for Mapsource. Was I supposed to get two?

[Store]

Originally posted by JMckie
Store, in answer answer your question: for car #2.

Jonas, where can I find that 2nd license? All I remember is getting a single 25-digit unlock code for Mapsource. Was I supposed to get two? Good reason... :)

For unlooking of Garmin maps start here http://www.garmin.com/unlock/ and follow the pretty straightforward instructions.

Since you are already using Garmin maps you are a returning customer. Dig out your Garmin Customer Code and enter it on the following page. Then just click onwards.

On the next page click on Unlock Additional GARMIN Unit. On the next page you can enter the serial number of your new GPSr.
On the next page you are presented with the new 25-character unlock code and the code is also mailed to the email address stored in your profile at Garmin.
Enter the unlock code in Mapsource under Utilities/Unlock Maps/

[JMckie]

Store, I want to get a GPS10 OEM do the same as you did. I wonder if you can confirm something for me using an experiment?

I want to know if the software has the ability to route 1) using the basemap only AND 2) while the GPS10 is disconnected. You'll have to rename your GMAPSUPP.IMG to any other name. Then you'll only have the basemap. Will it route?

What I'm trying to arrive at here is: does the software have the ability to route using a user-created routeable map, such as those found in http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/

[mavic-zap]

JMckie, I can answer this for you.

The base maps that come with the GPS10 are routable and you can use them without the GPS10 connected.

The base PPC Que software does not need and unlock code or registration to work, neither do the base maps (I only loaded the world basemap, but it should be the same for all).

The only time you need registration/unlock codes etc is when you add the detailed map sets.

The PPC Que software can be loaded onto multiple PPC without issue, although I did not fully read the EUL, so maybee I infringed on some legal issues, but technically it all works A-OK.

As for Store's use of the 2.7 upgrade, this has me a little confused.
When I downloaded the upgrade I specifically tried to load it onto a iPaq without any existing Que software and it told me I had to have an existing installation (i.e V2.6) and then terminated the install.
I can only assume Store's install of the cfQ1600 software left some type of file that the 2.7 upgrade accepted.

If you want to get a better idea of how it all works before you get the OEM GPS10 just PM me and I can assist your understanding ;) ;) (if you have broadband internet I can send some helpfull data etc).

Also please read my posts on getting two GPS10's and using two HX4700's

Mick

[Store]

Originally posted by mavic-zap
The base maps that come with the GPS10 are routable and you can use them without the GPS10 connected.<SNIP>. The GPS 10 OEM ships without basemaps.

As for Store's use of the 2.7 upgrade, this has me a little confused. When I downloaded the upgrade I specifically tried to load it onto a iPaq without any existing Que software and it told me I had to have an existing installation (i.e V2.6) and then terminated the install.
I can only assume Store's install of the cfQ1600 software left some type of file that the 2.7 upgrade accepted.
I just received my new Qtek 8020 Smartphone the other day, and now that I have my contacts and calendar on another device, I will hard reset the iPaq and try to install the 2.7 upgrade from scratch. WILRE.

Might even try to install Que on the Qtek. It will be interesting to see how Que works on a narrow screen.

[mavic-zap]

Originally posted by Store
The GPS 10 OEM ships without basemaps.


Hello Store, yes I understand the OEM has no software at all, I have the deluxe GPS10 that comes with a setup CD and CSNA.

If JMckie does get an OEM unit he will still be able to route with basemaps if he can get the GPS10 setup CD, as it does not need to be unlocked to a particular GPS10 unit. It is only the detailed maps that need this unlock system.

If you can get the 2.7 update to work please let me know and I will try againe, I find it anoying to install old software and then an upgrade after a hard reset on my PDA.

Mick

[JMckie]

I did the 2.7 installation as per Store's discovery. I loaded only the world basemap I use on the 3600. Everything seems to work in disconnected mode, except for routing. I loaded the Singapore detailed map and it works in disconnected mode, except for routing. In both cases, routing starts but never finishes.

Eager to hear your test results.

[mavic-zap]

JMckie, sonds like I'm wrong about the 2.7 upgrade working without a previous install. I will have to give this another try and see where I went wrong.

I just removed my SD card with detailed maps, leaving only the world basemap in the iPaq, it will route to a destination without the GPS10 connected, but the route simulation on the PPC does seem a bit eratic. Sometimes it works and sometimes it goes off road, or off direction, and sometimes it gets to the end and then just keeps going. I think this is a general issue with the PPC version of the Que software.

I have not loaded any of the free routable maps you have linked to, but I can't see why should not work.

Mick

[JMckie]

Maybe I have to install the software in main memory? Has anyone tried to install everything on the SD card?

PS. Mick I also sent you a PM.

[mavic-zap]

Originally posted by JMckie
Maybe I have to install the software in main memory? Has anyone tried to install everything on the SD card?

PS. Mick I also sent you a PM.

I did try moving all files to the SD card, but things went haywire.
Now I have this setup:
Install the Que 2.7 in to main memory, then move only the exe file to the SD card.
I also made a copy of the Que 2.6 install and put it on the SD card; now I can launch either from a shortcut. Both use the waypoints/voice files in main memory, the basemap in iPaq file store and the detailed maps on the SD card.

I did not attempt to install directly to the SD card, maybee this would work just as well.

JM, I have sent a PM back.

Mick

[jonasolof]

How do you make a copy of 2.6 install to SD card?

[mavic-zap]

Jonas, I installed Que 2.6 into main memory (default install) and then copied the entire "Garmin" folder from main memory to a backup folder on the SD card. I then renamed the folder on the SD card to "Que 2.6". Then I repeated the operation after upgrading to Que 2.7 in main memory.

I also keep copies of basemaps and selected detailed maps in the same place, renamed like:
"WorldBase.img"
"PacifBase.img"
"MyCityDetail.img" etc.

This is so I can move and change my mapsets when on the road, I just copy back into the correct Garmin folders and rename to GMAPBMAP etc.

Mick

[JMckie]

Can you please describe your folder structure?

After intalling to the SD Card I have the following:

/My Device/Garmin - contains NVM files

/SD Card/Garmin Que/GarminQue.exe

This directory I created by hand:
/SD Card/Garmin/GMAPBMAP.IMG
/SD Card/Garmin/GMAPSUPP.IMG

[mavic-zap]

My structure:

\Garmin\xxx.NVM
\Garmin\Voice\British Eng\xxx.wav
\iPAQ File Store\Garmin\GMAPBMAP.IMG
\SD Card\Garmin\GMAPSUPP.IMG
\SD Card\Backup\Garmin\Que 2.6\GarminQue.exe
\SD Card\Backup\Garmin\Que 2.7\GarminQue.exe
\SD Card\Backup\Garmin\Garmin maps\xxx.IMG

I had the GarminQue.exe file in main memory until manually moving it to the SD card, and changing the shortcuts.

Mick

[Store]

So, now I have hard reset my iPaq and installed Garmin Que for Pocket PC with GPS 10 Ver. 2.70 as of April 19, 2005 (http://www.garmin.com/support/agree.jsp?id=837)
The iPaq establishes contact with the GPS 10 and everything works fine. BUT: I don't have the the base map and I don't get voice guidance.
To accomplish this I had to install the Que 1620 software from my friends CD and then immediately remove the program using the built in funtions in the iPaq.
Then I reinstalled the Que 2.70 and then I could install the Swedish voices from my friends CD.

Conclusion: Don't buy just the GPS 10 OEM package if you want basemap and voice guidance.

I like being a law obiding citizen. I do have the rights to use the City Selects maps and have registered the GPS 10 serial number with Garmin to receive an unlock code.

So although I am up and running I would have been happier to have my own Que software license.The company I bought the stuff from (ASPID in Portugal) gave me the wrong information along the way, which helps clean my conscience.

There ought to be a package in between the De Luxe and the OEM for us that already have the maps but need the GPS 10 and the Que app.

Should I write to Garmin about his, enlosing the correspondance with ASPID?

[jonasolof]

Good idea.

According to Garmin, there are other uses for the GPS10 "sensor" as with their other "sensors" labelled as OEM devices so they probably did not intend the OEM sensor version to be used with Que software. Obviously, these people would need the sensor configuration software - and for that they need the GPS10 CD (the link given in the GPS 10 online manual doesn't work).

It should be pointed out that there are perfectly legitimate reasons not to want to buy a whole new mapset. The fact that you could register your GPS10 serial number for use with the detailed maps shows that Garmin also considers the move legitimate.

And what should a person do who wants to use GPS10 and Que software with Garmin detailed maps that are not sold bundled with the GPS10: Croatia, Middle east (City Nav), South Africa, Ukraine, Chile just to mention a few by of those listed at Garmin Cartography-plus all those topo maps? Would this person need to buy a US or European City Select package just to get Que and the voice files....

Anyhow, to help somebody else with the same problem it's easy to upload all the voice files and the basemaps to www.yousendit.com (max 1GB) for subsequent download by the needy. So I still think it's OK to buy it if you have spare map licenses. Let's help Garmin out of the problem they created.

P.S. JMckie used the 3600 basemap for his PPC, maybe you could even use the 3600 voice files?? (Guess not)

[Species8472]

"Anyhow, to help somebody else with the same problem it's easy to upload all the voice files and the basemaps to www.yousendit.com (max 1GB) for subsequent download by the needy"

I have the same problem. I got a GPS 10 sensor, NaviGuide 4.0 for Hungary but I don't have the original GarminQue software so I don't have english voice files.

I somebody has them, please send me using www.yousendit.com. I don't know how big is the setup CD but it would be very useful for all users having only the OEM version of GPS 10.

Thank you,

Kevin

[jonasolof]

I'll do it monday morning

[Species8472]

Thank you! :)

[jonasolof]

OK I zipped the content of the American English voice folder on theGPS10 CD. Some files in the folder are zipped archives, of these one couldn't been zipped in itself so I sent it alone in a second file.

Extract the first file to a folder, then put the second file (eng32.cab) in the same file unextracted. The site is available one week. Abt 4 MB. Hope it works. Otherwhise, you might have to follow Store's approach more closely.


First file (http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0NPSJT94LNYCB18V4R3EYUU8GG)


Second file (http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2E9KZLA71BP7L1R15PPPRVMAIO)

The entire QUe folder are 9 files abt 26 MB.

[jonasolof]

Here is the folder for Que 2.6 on the GPS10 CD. Download and extract to a folder. Then add file enginee32.cab from the second link to the same folder. There aren't any subfolders. Total download abt 30 MB.



first link (http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JIA858ZDA8UF2K4Q31C68G5GO)


second link (http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1IHHFX9BF5X431N7DRN51SDC52)

The world basemap (20 MB) can be downloaded from the iQue 3600 support site AFAIK. The bsemap folder on the CD is 80 MB...

[jonasolof]

The sensor configuration software (see GPS10 manual in sticky thread for instructions). The snrcfg.exe is not to be found where the manual says it should be at the Garmin web site.

sensor config (http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1SCZ4QG6CA18N0ZCCU6TLQHE5B)

[Species8472]

"Here is the folder for Que 2.6 on the GPS10 CD. Download and extract to a folder. Then add file enginee32.cab from the second link to the same folder. There aren't any subfolders. Total download abt 30 MB.


first link

second link

The world basemap (20 MB) can be downloaded from the iQue 3600 support site AFAIK. The bsemap folder on the CD is 80 MB...
"

Jonas,

Thank you very much once again. Unfortunatelly the "second link" doesn't work, would you check it, please?

Kevin

[Store]

Originally posted by Species8472
"Here is the folder for Que 2.6 on the GPS10 CD. Download and extract to a folder. Then add file enginee32.cab from the second link to the same folder. There aren't any subfolders. Total download abt 30 MB.


first link

second link

The world basemap (20 MB) can be downloaded from the iQue 3600 support site AFAIK. The bsemap folder on the CD is 80 MB...
"

Jonas,

Thank you very much once again. Unfortunatelly the "second link" doesn't work, would you check it, please?

Kevin

[Store]

Originally posted by Species8472
"Unfortunatelly the "second link" doesn't work
Jonas there seems to be something wrong with this link.

But then again, there is always the weakest link! :)

Many thanx!

//Per

[AnswerDude]

I fixed the second link.

[Species8472]

Originally posted by AnswerDude
I fixed the second link.

Great! It works!:D

[jonasolof]

What works?

The download

and the installation?


After uploading to yousenditcom, they give the uploader a page with an URL to the download page. I used that to introduce the second link with the engine32.cab file.

I also received an email with the link since I directed the message to myself. The emailed link was OK, so I had made som error while cutting and pasting the URL into the link here. Thanks Answerdude for fixing it!

[Species8472]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jonasolof
[B]What works?

The download

and the installation?


Both of them. :)

[Store]

Originally posted by Species8472
Originally posted by jonasolof
What works?
The download
and the installation?
Both of them. :)
I fully agree.
The Que 2.6 Application package installs the American English Language and a US base map, so they must be part of the package.

[jonasolof]

The file names of the Que folder and the voice folder are identical, although the Que folder files must contain more.

It seems enough to use only the Que folder (two links) if AM voice is good enough for you, since it contains the American voice files. The reason there is a separate Am voice file is to let you go back to Am voice if you have had something else installed.

Since I didn't upload any other language, I can't know if it is possible to switch languages with only the contents of the voice folder, but this seems probable.

Could you please confirm that the world map from the iQue support site can be used?

[The Swede]

The download links doesn't work anymore since they've expired at yousendit.com.

Anyone know if the basemap and software can be downloaded anywhere else?

[pkuaso]

Jonas, any chance of you re-uploading the QUE 2.6 files where the needy among us can download them? Like so many out there, I bought the GPS10 unit only and have version 2.7 of QUE which I downloaded from the Garmin site. Of course, l don't have the voice components available.

[The Swede]

I'm currently sending the entire setup CD for gps10. I'll edit this message with the link when its done.

[pkuaso]

Thanks Swede, much appreciated

[The Swede]

Ok,

here is the gps-10 setup cd:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PKEQ2NO86IK00BE51ILUNH1W6

I recommend you remove all previous installations of the que soft before installing 2.6. Feel free to upgrade to 2.7 after the that.
I had some strange behaviour with the que soft when just installed the 2.7 upgrade from garmin, such as lockups, bluetooth reconnect problems and so on.

The bluetooth reconnect problem might still appear though, mainly when doing this:

1. You are connected to the GPS 10
2. Shut down you PPC
3. Start up you PPC with GPS 10 off. The que soft will try to reconnect, but fail since the GPS 10 is off.
4. Switch on the GPS 10. Try to reconnect from the gps info page in que soft. This is when the que probably fail.
It appears to be something wrong with the BT driver since I have to shut down BT in my PPC and then turn it on again and reconnect from the gps info page in que.

[pkuaso]

Many thanks Swede... downloading in progress. Will let you know the outcome once I've installed it. Phew, thank goodness for broadband... 188MB in a zipped file would take ages if one plans to download using a dial-up connection.

BTW, anyone know how I can use the GPS10 with an iQueM5? Can't seem to configure the M5 to connect to a Bluetooth device because the Que application that is part of it will only connect to the unit's flip-up antenna or an external GPS antenna with an MCX connector.

I know it sounds strange that I don't want to use the flip antenna that's part of the M5, it's just that I've found that an external antenna has just that extra edge as compared to the flip antenna on the unit.

[AKlopper]

Originally posted by pkuaso
BTW, anyone know how I can use the GPS10 with an iQueM5?

I don't believe you can. The registry hacks that make the 'Interfaces' tab of the cfQue application visible, for example, don't work on the M5. This is only to be expected, though, as the GPS on the M5 is integrated and does not need to be accessed via a serial port, so why include this support in the application? The M5 has its own API which makes accessing the GPS much easier.

[pkuaso]

Sigh, very true AKlopper... anyway, that was just wishful thinking. Looks like I have to be contented with using a wired external antenna then.

Anyway, a quick update. Downloaded the ZIP file and installed it and IT WORKS!!! Great thing is that it even has the British voice (no offence to our American friends, I was trained by the BBC for my stint as a TV anchor). I now have an iPAQ that functions just as well as my iQue M5. Thanks Swede!!

[The Swede]

pkuaso,

You're very welcome! I'm glad it worked out for you.

If you indeed are a TV-anchor, please do not forget to mention this board when you're on air. ;)

[pkuaso]

Swede, sadly that was more than 10 years ago. I used to anchor a current affairs program on national TV called Sunday Morning Singapore and also a game show called It's Your Move. These shows were the genesis of many of the new variety, financial and current affairs programs on Singapore TV today.

[Adonisius]

*sigh*
If only I had seen this board a couple of days earlier ..

I just recently got the GPS10 from a shop in Brisbane, along with CityNavigator Aus 6. Unfortunately the deluxe version is unavailable for Australia and the vendor didn't tell me that the PocketPC cd isn't included. I guess it pays to do your research beforehand, eh?

I called up the vendor and given their no returns policy I was directed to download the 2.7 update patch. They were kind enough to email me the british voice file, but failed to tell me where to obtain the initial installation files. Emailing Garmin was pointless. I even offered to buy the software separately!

From what I've gathered on this forum the update won't work without having either an uninstalled copy of cf1620 or the GPS10 setup cd.

If anybody would be kind enough to send an image of the setup cd I would be glad to host it and the voice files on my site for everyone else to use. That yousendit thing only has a 2 week limit. I don't mind using part of my bandwidth for hosting such files and I'm sure nobody wants to keep getting requests to have the file reuploaded everytime.

So, once again I plead for a kind soul to send me the missing files I so desperately need to prevent my GPS10 from becoming an expensive door-stopper

Thank you very much for your help ^_^

[mforce]

I have the same problem as Adonisius. I have the GPS 10 OEM sensor without the 2.6 software. Would some kind soul consider re-upping the 2.6 que software? It would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance...

[The Swede]

Adonisius,

I just came back from my vaccation. Where can I upload the cd?

[mforce]

Welcome back Swede ... and THANKS!

I'll be looking for the upload

[The Swede]

mforce,

I'll post the link here when the cd is ready for download.

[Adonisius]

Sorry for the late reply. Been really busy at work. Thanks for offering to put up the GPS10 install cd again, whenever you get to it.

I'll post it up on an online site which doesn't expire whenever I get to download it. I'm only available for a week though before I have to leave again without access to the net for at LEAST 6 weeks. If I miss the opportunity again then I guess it'll be my bad luck or fate ^_^

[The Swede]

ok,

here it is now:
http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3L3XIDN1MLVGR05D690JTZM7PO

have fun!

:D

[mforce]

thanks very much, downloading now..

[Adonisius]

Well, as promised I have uploaded the installation file. Grab it at
http://www.streamload.com/aldareon/gp10.zip

Note it's gp10.zip, not gps10.zip. I also put a password in there - "pdastreet". When I return in a couple of months I'll be changing the password for it and people will have to PM me for the new password.