Wakarimasen
12-09-2002, 03:43 PM
Does anyone have any experience of using this software as an 'add-on' to PsiWin 2.3.3?
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diem
12-10-2002, 04:25 AM
If you're talking about the software from Pumatech, I have a feeling that its not a Psiwin add-on, its a Psiwin replacement! No personal experience of it though.
netBookBabe
12-10-2002, 06:58 AM
Wakarimasen
I've heard good things about Intellisync, but haven't personally used it either.
I can't get on to the Pumatech site at the moment, but last time I looked I'm pretty sure there was a trial version available for download. Perhaps you could test it out and report back on your findings? :)
Julie
I've heard good things about Intellisync, but haven't personally used it either.
I can't get on to the Pumatech site at the moment, but last time I looked I'm pretty sure there was a trial version available for download. Perhaps you could test it out and report back on your findings? :)
Julie
Wakarimasen
12-11-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by diem
If you're talking about the software from Pumatech, I have a feeling that its not a Psiwin add-on, its a Psiwin replacement! No personal experience of it though.
In fact, the documentation states that PsiWun and Email synchronisation must be installed.
I'll give the trial version a try and report back as suggested.
If you're talking about the software from Pumatech, I have a feeling that its not a Psiwin add-on, its a Psiwin replacement! No personal experience of it though.
In fact, the documentation states that PsiWun and Email synchronisation must be installed.
I'll give the trial version a try and report back as suggested.
Jim Cooke
12-12-2002, 12:42 AM
I have used intellisync and can confirm that it is an overlay of PsiWin 2.3.3. In fact, it checks to see if you've got 2.3.3 installed first and won't install without it.
I'm totally underwhelmed from my experience. You can field map from the Psion to Intellisync but there are no Psion fields that are useful that are not already handled by PsiWin. The only advantage was that I was able to map an unused field from Contacts to the Category field in Outlook so I now have categories for my contacts. Other than this, it's much slower than PsiWin, much more prone to dupes, and handles repeats even more poorly than Psiwin. Plus, it still doesn't sync Jotter to Outlook Notes. At the price, I gave this one a pass.
Regards, Jim
I'm totally underwhelmed from my experience. You can field map from the Psion to Intellisync but there are no Psion fields that are useful that are not already handled by PsiWin. The only advantage was that I was able to map an unused field from Contacts to the Category field in Outlook so I now have categories for my contacts. Other than this, it's much slower than PsiWin, much more prone to dupes, and handles repeats even more poorly than Psiwin. Plus, it still doesn't sync Jotter to Outlook Notes. At the price, I gave this one a pass.
Regards, Jim
Wakarimasen
12-13-2002, 02:28 AM
I have to agree with the previous post. Yesterday, I un-installed the trial version of Intellisync from my laptop for the following reasons:
Successive synchronisation of my contacts list created 100 duplicated entries: some of which were a mixture of the details of two or more separate contacts.
Synchronisation of my Agenda resulted again in duplicate entries.
Synchronisation of my Email folders failed!
PsiWin seems excellent by comparison, which is certainly a damning indictment!
Successive synchronisation of my contacts list created 100 duplicated entries: some of which were a mixture of the details of two or more separate contacts.
Synchronisation of my Agenda resulted again in duplicate entries.
Synchronisation of my Email folders failed!
PsiWin seems excellent by comparison, which is certainly a damning indictment!
jasonm
02-20-2003, 07:07 AM
i've had completely the opposite experiences with Intellisync. I support Psions and Palms for my company, and we have a lot of them! We also use lotus notes... as such we need an overlay of some description as it is not natively supported by psiwin (or hotsync) insync (and easysync for the palms) which we were using for the two pda's both have problems with repeating entries and delegates - intellisync doesn't. and as far as the duplications, um, you didn't get a box come up asking if you wanted to copy xxx from your pda to your PC? and vice versa? kind of warns you that you are about to duplicate everything if you read it so you can press cancel and do something about it!!
the speed of it i will agree on though, it is definately slower!
if you want to use your PDA with lotus notes, then intellisync is better than insync/easysync imho, but if you dont need an overlay then there is no point in buying it at all...
Jason
the speed of it i will agree on though, it is definately slower!
if you want to use your PDA with lotus notes, then intellisync is better than insync/easysync imho, but if you dont need an overlay then there is no point in buying it at all...
Jason
Jim Cooke
02-20-2003, 03:48 PM
Jason,
Indeed, Intellisync may be a viable alternative if you have to sync with Notes, which, thankfully, I don't have to. The discussion, however, was about Intellisync and Outlook. The performance of Intellisync between Notes and Outlook is quite different so your comparision in the context of the discussion at hand has very little relevance.
<<and as far as the duplications, um, you didn't get a box come up asking if you wanted to copy xxx from your pda to your PC? and vice versa? kind of warns you that you are about to duplicate everything if you read it so you can press cancel and do something about it!!>>
Certainly - I got dialog after dialog warning about deletions, duplications, and clashes. You could always stop the whole thing, go back and try to figure out what the problem was, and then start the sync all over. Using PsiWin, I rarely had dupes and didn't have to sit in front of my computer responding to dialog boxes for 15 or 20 minutes at a time.
Support people seem to assume that all users are idiots. Believe it or not, most of them aren't, but condesending messages such as yours are the very thing that make users assume that support people are arrogant. There's also a new thing out called proper case, which means you start new sentences with capital letters. You ought to try it sometime as it will help make your communications at least readable.
Regards, Jim
Indeed, Intellisync may be a viable alternative if you have to sync with Notes, which, thankfully, I don't have to. The discussion, however, was about Intellisync and Outlook. The performance of Intellisync between Notes and Outlook is quite different so your comparision in the context of the discussion at hand has very little relevance.
<<and as far as the duplications, um, you didn't get a box come up asking if you wanted to copy xxx from your pda to your PC? and vice versa? kind of warns you that you are about to duplicate everything if you read it so you can press cancel and do something about it!!>>
Certainly - I got dialog after dialog warning about deletions, duplications, and clashes. You could always stop the whole thing, go back and try to figure out what the problem was, and then start the sync all over. Using PsiWin, I rarely had dupes and didn't have to sit in front of my computer responding to dialog boxes for 15 or 20 minutes at a time.
Support people seem to assume that all users are idiots. Believe it or not, most of them aren't, but condesending messages such as yours are the very thing that make users assume that support people are arrogant. There's also a new thing out called proper case, which means you start new sentences with capital letters. You ought to try it sometime as it will help make your communications at least readable.
Regards, Jim
diem
02-20-2003, 05:01 PM
Whoah back there Jim :eek:
I think Jason's post is a useful contribution - to be fair to him the thread was initially a request for general experiences of Intellisynch, not specifically when used with Outlook (although the recent postings on the thread had trended that way).
I can see why you might see the post as condescending, but I'm sure that wasn't Jason's intention, and its good to know that its useful with Notes, even if its a hindrance when used with Outlook. Fear not - your clearly knowledgeable posts in the field of synchronisation speak for themselves IMHO ;)
I think Jason's post is a useful contribution - to be fair to him the thread was initially a request for general experiences of Intellisynch, not specifically when used with Outlook (although the recent postings on the thread had trended that way).
I can see why you might see the post as condescending, but I'm sure that wasn't Jason's intention, and its good to know that its useful with Notes, even if its a hindrance when used with Outlook. Fear not - your clearly knowledgeable posts in the field of synchronisation speak for themselves IMHO ;)
Jim Cooke
02-20-2003, 08:28 PM
Yan,
Sorry if I seemed a little strong but all the previous posts are regarding IS and Outlook. It is already known that IS supports Notes. There was nothing new added about Notes and Intellisync. Other than that, the post contained two things that really get me cranked off:
1. The idea from a support person that it's the user's fault when something goes wrong because they didn't read the dialog box. In the case of IS, as I'm sure he knows, the dialog box offers the chance to accept the changes or start the sync all over again. In most cases, it's not even clear what IntelliSync thinks is a conflict. This is a good example of poor user interface, not a problem where users don't know what they're doing.
2. This forum is read by people all over the world, many of whom are not native English speakers. I imagine it's difficult for these folks to understand some of the posts as it is. As native English speakers, and as a matter of common courtesy, we should post in proper English, including things like starting new sentences in capital letters, using correct punctuation, and the like. That at least gives non-native English speakers a chance that the post will resemble something of the English they learned in school :) .
<Rant Mode Off>
Regards, Jim
Sorry if I seemed a little strong but all the previous posts are regarding IS and Outlook. It is already known that IS supports Notes. There was nothing new added about Notes and Intellisync. Other than that, the post contained two things that really get me cranked off:
1. The idea from a support person that it's the user's fault when something goes wrong because they didn't read the dialog box. In the case of IS, as I'm sure he knows, the dialog box offers the chance to accept the changes or start the sync all over again. In most cases, it's not even clear what IntelliSync thinks is a conflict. This is a good example of poor user interface, not a problem where users don't know what they're doing.
2. This forum is read by people all over the world, many of whom are not native English speakers. I imagine it's difficult for these folks to understand some of the posts as it is. As native English speakers, and as a matter of common courtesy, we should post in proper English, including things like starting new sentences in capital letters, using correct punctuation, and the like. That at least gives non-native English speakers a chance that the post will resemble something of the English they learned in school :) .
<Rant Mode Off>
Regards, Jim
diem
02-21-2003, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by Jim Cooke
Sorry if I seemed a little strong but all the previous posts are regarding IS and Outlook.
Not true Jim. The original poster asked for information about Intellisync in general, so Jason's post is therefore within the scope of the thread even though nobody else had as yet mentioned using it with Notes.
There was nothing new added about Notes and Intellisync.
I disagree. All we knew previously was that Notes was supported by Intellisync; we now have information that it supports Notes better than Insync Pro does.
1. The idea from a support person that it's the user's fault when something goes wrong because they didn't read the dialog box.
Agree. Whether he intended it or not, Jason's tone was condescending, and ruffled feathers.
2. This forum is read by people all over the world, many of whom are not native English speakers. I imagine it's difficult for these folks to understand some of the posts as it is.
Once again I agree, good English is a definite help (although we have to be careful not to tread on dyslexic toes - not that I'm suggesting you're a sufferer Jason!). Check this (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11745) thread for some shocking incomprehensibility (and humour from Mike ;))
Hope I've been even-handed,
yan
Sorry if I seemed a little strong but all the previous posts are regarding IS and Outlook.
Not true Jim. The original poster asked for information about Intellisync in general, so Jason's post is therefore within the scope of the thread even though nobody else had as yet mentioned using it with Notes.
There was nothing new added about Notes and Intellisync.
I disagree. All we knew previously was that Notes was supported by Intellisync; we now have information that it supports Notes better than Insync Pro does.
1. The idea from a support person that it's the user's fault when something goes wrong because they didn't read the dialog box.
Agree. Whether he intended it or not, Jason's tone was condescending, and ruffled feathers.
2. This forum is read by people all over the world, many of whom are not native English speakers. I imagine it's difficult for these folks to understand some of the posts as it is.
Once again I agree, good English is a definite help (although we have to be careful not to tread on dyslexic toes - not that I'm suggesting you're a sufferer Jason!). Check this (http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11745) thread for some shocking incomprehensibility (and humour from Mike ;))
Hope I've been even-handed,
yan
jasonm
02-21-2003, 05:03 AM
Sorry, I certainly didn't intend my post to be interpreted in a condescending manner. I apologise for that if that was how it was read. I find these forums to be very helpful in the work I do, and was only helping to share my own experiences with Intellisync. FYI Jim, I don't find the users to be idiots, infact quite the opposite. Without help from them I would never be able to sort out anything for them, or even learn. If anything I find some of the people I work WITH to be more troublesome... :) Support people don't know everything, yet many of them think they do...
My part about the options with regard to seeing the duplications which I can see why it was read in that manner (sorry again) was only to highlight that there was an option to stop the duplications before they happened in intellisync. I personally find extremely useful as it means the chance of duplicating someones entire email is almost completely eliminated :) Slightly embarrassing if you have turn up to fix something and make it worse! I just wish it was included in all other software (as a switchable option) as yes, it does get annoying once you know everything is working.
Jason
My part about the options with regard to seeing the duplications which I can see why it was read in that manner (sorry again) was only to highlight that there was an option to stop the duplications before they happened in intellisync. I personally find extremely useful as it means the chance of duplicating someones entire email is almost completely eliminated :) Slightly embarrassing if you have turn up to fix something and make it worse! I just wish it was included in all other software (as a switchable option) as yes, it does get annoying once you know everything is working.
Jason
Jim Cooke
02-21-2003, 02:22 PM
Jason,
Apologies on my part as well as, in retrospect, I reacted too strongly to your post - it must have been a bad day on my part. I am suprised that you found Intellisync better than InsyncPro with Notes since I always found Intellisync to cause more dupes than InsyncPro. I guess, though, that IS might be better at the start when you're trying to sync a new file since it shows you what's about to be duplicated (mostly the fault of Notes, BTW, at least up to version 4.6). Once all that was sorted out, I found InsyncPro to be better at ongoing syncing and a lot faster than Intellisync. Certainly, almost anything was better than EasySync for Notes - Lotus never seems to get that program right.
Having to support both Psions and Palms, I can see that Intellisync would be a better choice than trying to support Easysync and InsyncPro. Luckily, in the US, almost no one uses a Psion so I've only had to support Palms and try to make EasySync work.
Completely off topic for this forum, but have seen or tried Notes 6 yet? It looks like it has some significant improvements over Notes 5.x but, as far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to be an update to either EasySync or Intellisync to support Notes 6.
Regards, Jim
Apologies on my part as well as, in retrospect, I reacted too strongly to your post - it must have been a bad day on my part. I am suprised that you found Intellisync better than InsyncPro with Notes since I always found Intellisync to cause more dupes than InsyncPro. I guess, though, that IS might be better at the start when you're trying to sync a new file since it shows you what's about to be duplicated (mostly the fault of Notes, BTW, at least up to version 4.6). Once all that was sorted out, I found InsyncPro to be better at ongoing syncing and a lot faster than Intellisync. Certainly, almost anything was better than EasySync for Notes - Lotus never seems to get that program right.
Having to support both Psions and Palms, I can see that Intellisync would be a better choice than trying to support Easysync and InsyncPro. Luckily, in the US, almost no one uses a Psion so I've only had to support Palms and try to make EasySync work.
Completely off topic for this forum, but have seen or tried Notes 6 yet? It looks like it has some significant improvements over Notes 5.x but, as far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to be an update to either EasySync or Intellisync to support Notes 6.
Regards, Jim
Jim Cooke
02-21-2003, 02:26 PM
Yan,
Your points are all well taken. As I wrote to Jason, I think I was having a bad day yesterday. Of course, I think you're also a more empathetic guy than I am - the idea of dyslexia never even crossed my mind although it should have. Even handed you were and I appreciate it.
Regards, Jim
Your points are all well taken. As I wrote to Jason, I think I was having a bad day yesterday. Of course, I think you're also a more empathetic guy than I am - the idea of dyslexia never even crossed my mind although it should have. Even handed you were and I appreciate it.
Regards, Jim
vsmith99
02-24-2003, 11:45 PM
It doesn't sync email attachments.
Vince
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