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dushaw
12-13-2002, 12:36 PM
My Malaysian netbook arrived the other day I thought y'all would be interested to hear my story...bear in mind that I am NO expert.

I won the e-bay auction and received the automated response from ched@cyberway.com.sg. After waiting a week and hearing nothing, I bugged them about it and was told it was on its way (i.e. "the check is in the mail" - they popped it in UPS express delivery in response to my e-mail, looks like) It arrived from Singapore in 2 days.

As described by others, the package was basically a UPS bag with all of the bits dumped into it with little regard to packing. The netbooks are meant to be rugged, however. It came with an unlabeled CD-ROM with a copy of the psion software on it, a 64 MB compactflash disk with the infamous OS.img, and a powersupply with an astonishing collection of transformers and adapters to convert Malaysian power/outlets to US power/outlets. The various power adapters did not connect too well, so I ended up having to tape the whole 5lb arrangement tightly together to keep it from shorting. I have a line on a 15V, 2A Toshiba notebook power adapter (PA2438U) on e-bay that should work fine, although I may have to rewire the netbook's 15V plug. The backup lithium cell CR2032 had expired.

I had to verify that the latest os.img did not work, and it did not. I tried truncating the new os.img to be the number of lines of the old os.img, on the theory that perhaps the boot loader is looking for only X MB of OS. I tried copying the first 20 lines of the old OS over the first 20 lines of the new OS - all to no avail. The OS version I have is Version 1.05(281) (Release 158).

The netbook has 32 MB of RAM, of which 14MB becomes ROM for the OS and the remaining 18 MB becomes available to the user for new software, etc. My theory is that these DIMM's have a small bootloader hardwired on to them. I wonder if one replaced the original DIMM with the 32MB expansion DIMM that one might upgrade the bootloader as well - on the theory that all these DIMMs have the small bootloader on them for production efficiency?

I found that my DELL 1150 TrueMobile wireless networking pcmcia card (lucent/hermes) worked without a problem. Ethernet seems quite slow, however. I also have the Psion IR 56K travel modem, and this worked without any problems either (that I've noticed). I read somewhere that the Dacom gold LAN eithernet cards have a smc91c9x chip on them, so as an experiment I got a SMC etherez pc card from e-bay (a $12.50 experiment) - this did NOT work, though it looks like it tried. Apparently LAN cards draw considerable power, so perhaps the netbook cannot provide this card with quite enough power. Does anyone know of a cheap clone of the Dacom ethernet cards that would work?

I installed an alpha version of mindterm from http://www.psionteklogix.com/pm/AuthFiles/login.asp - this is an java-based ssh terminal to allow secure connections over ethernet. You have to register and login to get it, but it is free. This was an old version, however (1.2?), and I found a new java version from http://www.appgate.com/mindterm/ (version 2.3.1) that supports ssh/scp/sftp, ssh2, and compression. This is free. I got this to work with the alpha version of mindterm by: 1) placing the MINDTERM.JAR file in c:\system\java\ext (where you will find the v. 1.2 *.jar file - which you can delete) and 2) changing c:\system\apps\mt\mt.txt to have the single line "com.mindbright.application.MindTerm -cp MINDTERM.jar". VERY nice! Platform independence - who'd a thunk it?

To modify mt.txt I installed the EPOC text editor from http://www.symbian.com/developer/downloads/archive.html There are some other very useful bits of software there as well - I've just noticed javasweep, which I now know I need...

It is easy to change the wallpaper to get rid of the One-Ed wallpaper (menu, preferences)

I have not tried to install linux on the netbook yet (www.psilinux.org) - this is
still problematic for the netbook (but fabulous for the 5MX, if I do say so myself :) ), but I'll give it a go before too long. I fail to see how the OS.img problem has anything to do with the linux installation - linux does not use the psion's bootloader, of course.

I tried to get the VGA adapter from colorgraphic, but it looks like the pc card version is no longer available. The compactflash version is not supported by EPOC, alas - which it ought to be!

I think that's all. In short I'm happy, in spite of the nuances of the Malaysian netbooks. (I never expect a warranty from anything I get on e-bay....)

The trial version of Opera 5 did seem to work faster than the original Opera. I may have to buy some software afterall...I'll wait to see how the OS.img issue shakes out.

Cheers,
B.D.

diem
12-13-2002, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by dushaw
My Malaysian netbook arrived the other day I thought y'all would be interested to hear my story...bear in mind that I am NO expert.

From the length and quality of your post I'd have to disagree ;)

I wonder if one replaced the original DIMM with the 32MB expansion DIMM that one might upgrade the bootloader as well - on the theory that all these DIMMs have the small bootloader on them for production efficiency?

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. The netBook mobo has 16MB on board, and the so-called personality module has another 16MB RAM, plus some flash ROM which stores the bootloader. The 32MB expansion DIMM just has 32MB RAM.

Might work as a base for Linux though, if you don't need the bootloader at all?

Does anyone know of a cheap clone of the Dacom ethernet cards that would work?

I'm afraid not. I maintain a PCMCIA compatibility list in my FAQ - its by no means complete, but it might give you some pointers.


Thanks for the pointers about Mindterm by the way :)

markdeppe
12-13-2002, 09:07 PM
Hi B.D. Welcome

Phew, If that posting is from a psion "No expert" can't wait to see your postings after a few more weeks of use. Welcome to the netbook arena great to have you here. You will have already made several people envious with the posting "I also have the Psion IR 56K travel modem, and this worked without any problems either (that I've noticed)" a Rare thing ;-)

Good to hear you are happy with the Malaysian netbook and with the service of the seller, hopefully they will return to ebay soon, and the community will grow from a much wanted injection of new owners. Can hardly wait :-)

aidhams
12-14-2002, 01:55 PM
I registered to this site specifically to get information on the psion netbook I saw on-sale today. Specifically, I wanted to know how could I connect it to a wired LAN and whether I could write simple programs for it.

Boy, was I in for a surprise. What a saga. For the record, the sale price is now RM 990 with a PSION Gold Fax Modem card. And the seller is SITA Multimedia.

My question now changes into : Is there any major shortcoming to this unit that would prevent me from
a. doing notes and transfering to my Linux PC via FTP
b. checking mail
c. manage my calendar

I figure that I'll just setup a modem on my Linux PC at the office and dial to it via the PABX to get mail, transfer files and hopefully browse.

If there are none, I'll take the leap.

Thanks in advance.

BTW, in one of the other threads, there was mention of how better management of the school project could have made it successful. Unfortunately, I am a seasoned campainger of several such projects and can assure you that is probably not true. Just ask ICL. ;)

markdeppe
12-14-2002, 04:18 PM
dushaw: A little bird (meant in the best possible way) whispered to me there is a lot more than a bit of modesty in your posting - "*&)" sheepish non techie type of grin from me there I made up - All the best with Linux stuff, not to sure what it is or what it does, but look forward to seeing developments.

diem
12-14-2002, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by aidhams
My question now changes into : Is there any major shortcoming to this unit that would prevent me from
a. doing notes and transfering to my Linux PC via FTP
b. checking mail
c. manage my calendar

I figure that I'll just setup a modem on my Linux PC at the office and dial to it via the PABX to get mail, transfer files and hopefully browse.

a. if by 'notes' you mean .txt files, the this is possible inherently, better is to invest in nConvert which will convert EPOC formats to many others.
b. fine, wth just one caveat: the built-in email client cannot do SMTP authentication. There is a freeware Java alternative that does tho' - XJMail.
c. Perfect for it!

Its possible in theory to browse via a modem connection to a 'net connected PC - just set that PC up as a proxy yes?

The netBook you're bidding on has one major limitation - its OS cannot be upgraded. The current information though is that the OS it comes with can do wireless LAN flawlessly, although the wired LAN drivers aren't quite up to scratch. A less serious omission is Opera 5 - it has Opera 3 but you can pay to upgrade.

Its a tough call - these machines are a bargain, and someone may yet work out how to fool the bootloader to allow the latest OS to be installed, and they're pretty good with the OS they've got...

dushaw
12-14-2002, 11:44 PM
In hindsight, I suppose I did go on a bit! I was merely grateful for all the useful information posted here, and thought I could contribute something. Regarding my (non)expertness - I suppose I have messed around quite a bit with bootloaders and hacking to get things to work, but mainly with linux. This has made me fearless in trying to get things to work... :) I do know very little of netbooks...but I'm catching on...

I have had no trouble transfering things back and forth over ethernet (via wlan or modem) with mindterm and its scp (secure copy) - any remote linux machine has to run the sshd daemon, however, and be set up to allow access. For e-mail, I still use pine from my desktop, so I just login to my desk computer from whereever I am and use pine.

Interestingly, I tried to use a compactflash card with a pcmcia adapter (the E drive) and this does NOT work. Perhaps I need to get a driver from somewhere - not that I really need the E drive.

I've found the discussion on another thread concerning the RAM upgrade to be interesting.

B.D.

dushaw
12-15-2002, 12:31 AM
>Interestingly, I tried to use a compactflash
>card with a pcmcia adapter (the E drive)
>and this does NOT work. Perhaps I need to
>get a driver from somewhere - not that I
>really need the E drive.

Whoops! I spoke too soon - I just had to push the pcmcia adapter (Kingston) in a little further!

aidhams
12-16-2002, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by diem


Its possible in theory to browse via a modem connection to a 'net connected PC - just set that PC up as a proxy yes?


Yes. Set it up as a PPP dial-in server and the appropriate routing. Use the netbook to dial to the PC like you would to the Internet. Once connected you'd have access to the PC's resources as well the network's. Mean that you need to phone ports, one for the netbook and one for the PC's modem.

I think you can even do that with Win98.

Note: This is a potentially high security risk. Password protect the login if you have to do it.