MEMORY LEAK ON WINDOWS 2.0 for pocket pcs(including axims)

[NDF]

has any one heard of the memory leak on the axims for now? if you dont go to somewhere in this site about memory leak? does any one know of a upgrade or fix for this?

[fyrfyter]

The Axim doesn't even run Windows 2.0. It runs WindowsPPC2002, which from ym understanding, is higher than Windows CE 3.0.

[NDF]

it still has the memory leak though. i have been monitoring my memory and it has the same symptoms as the memory leak

[fyrfyter]

where's your proof? It was never confirmed that there is this so called program, and my dell always ends up with the same amount of memory in the end. Are you aware, that the Axim automatically configures its memory and re allocates it, by itself? perhaps this is what you are seeing happening. I am sure if there was a problem such as this, Microsoft would ahve fixed it between WinCE2.0 and PPC2002

[NDF]

im sorry if ive mad you EXTREMLY MAD but um yes i am aware of the ato locating of it and im talking about program memory slowly being....hold on 1 sec..........................the amount ofavailable
program memory is gradually reducing over a period of time. Whatseems to be
happening is that, after running and exiting an application,between 4 and 8K
of memory is not being returned to the progam memory 'pool'.The only way to
get the memory back is to do a reset.hold on one more second(getting this info from the forums and remember to watch your pocket pc for the symptoms)......................................... ..........................................There have been several threads on this topic. It seems that there is a
bonafide memory leak in WinCE2 or one of its core applications. Several
people, including me, have seen the same symptoms that you describe and its
been seen on different systems. In my case a HP320lx that was upgraded to
CE2.0 from CE1.0. Using PWord with relatively large documents (300k-1meg)
seems to cause or accelerate the problem. The only workaround that I've
heard is to periodically reset the machine.

A good part of my job here is testing software and I'm very good at my job.
I've spent a reasonable time testing this and have found that running
nothing except Calander and PWord will produce the problem and the more you
run PWord the sooner you get the memory warnings. Either the problem is in
PWord or it is in a system service that PWord uses more than Calander but
either way it is in code that is in ROM so a fix would probably require a
replacement ROM, something MS and the machine vendors would not want to
have to pay for. Fixing it with hacked code running in RAM would be
"expensive" in that it would consume RAM where ROM is normally used thereby
reducing the available RAM. If the fixed code was large it would be
impractical.
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David Gangwisch
FreeHand SQA Engineer
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im also hoping there is a fix to this because the axims have the symptoms of incresing memory usage in programs. here try this..on your pocket pc open pocket word then exit the program then open the calender..then close it..now cheack your avalibly PROGRAM memory...the used up memory thing will go up like .5 or something. k? :) no trying to make you mad ness ::):):):):):):) i hope they do fix this:(

[fyrfyter]

first off, I don;t get mad at posts, I just want some proof of this problem. Secondly, you keep mentioning Windows CE2.0. We are way past that OS, and I don't see a big problem with my Axim. The Dell users guide plainly states, that the Axim and PPC2002 will allocated the memory automatically as needed. You can temporarily adjust it, but it still manages itself. Thirdly, look at the date on this article July of 1998, thats almost 5 years ago, and doesn't it seem strange, that if this problem still exists, in PPC 2000 or PPC 2002 that no one else has written an article on it? Many people are using PPC2002, but there aren't any articles on this so-called memory leak.

[ChrizzaiN]

NDF,
Sounds like what you are describing is simply memory fragmentation. Not alot of people are aware that RAM gets fragmented also until it is cleared.

[NDF]

coooool, but how come my program memory keeps on slowly increasing in like stuff? im just worried about it. :( so um thx for um making me um feel a little um better :) so um hi......thx.........................donthave anything else to say..............................um............... ..um................um..............um............ ......um.................um............. does your axim go up program memory usage?..................i dunno............ill jus look at it over like 3 weeks and see what it does:) thx for um..straghting things out...i jus got my axim for christmas and im jus a little worried about it..:D:D:D:D:D

[mlwill]

The one question that I have for NDF is.....

Are you considering hitting the x in the upper right hand corner of the screen as closed? If so this is not closing the application, it is still running in the background - that x does not close the program it minimizes it. To properly close a program you need to go into settings and stop the program or use your switcher bar.

[NDF]

yup i know that. it still goes up though(really slowly like .01 .02 mb every time you close a program. weird. i though the axims had windows 2 though. but it still does it........weird:confused:

[ChrizzaiN]

You might want to call Dell support. Maybe your Axim is defective. Or maybe they can straighten it out for you over the phone.... Im sure you can get it straightened out.

[NDF]

wats the number or where do i find it cuase i might want to jus ask abot it.

[NDF]

also, what are all your ppls program memory at(free).

[fyrfyter]

your program free memory si going to depend on what Apps you have loaded onto the Axim.

[devhen]

Originally posted by fyrfyter
your program free memory si going to depend on what Apps you have loaded onto the Axim.

Wrong. Program memory on a Pocket PC is equivalent to RAM on a normal computer. The amount of free program memory you have depends on how many and what type of programs you have currently running.

For example, Contacts, Calendar, Notes, etc use little program memory while Acrobat Reader for the Pocket PC uses much more memory. Watching a movie or listening to music in WMP or another media app will use alot of program memory as well. When you exit these programs your program memory is freed up.

[NDF]

thats just it...lets say my program memory is 4.00mb. when i open like word or somethin it will go up to mabye 2.45mb. WHEN I CLOSE WORD IT WILL GO BACK TO 4.05mb then the next time i do it ir will go from 4.05mp to 2.50mb then back to 4.10mb im going to call dell and ask them y my axim is doing this

[Iguana73]

All right, this is the first time I read this string. From what I understand the discussion is the Program allocation for your Ax (ARM) memory. I have had my Ax for a little more than a month. My memry sits at 4.3. Open some programs, (PWORD, PExcel, IE, Today, Notes) and up to 6.5. I close (X) the programs and it stays up around 5.8-6.2. Close the running programs using switcher bar, and like magic, down to 4.3. On a running OS that is pretty good.

For all you brand new owners, how much program memory do you have running?

[devhen]

Originally posted by NDF
thats just it...lets say my program memory is 4.00mb. when i open like word or somethin it will go up to mabye 2.45mb. WHEN I CLOSE WORD IT WILL GO BACK TO 4.05mb then the next time i do it ir will go from 4.05mp to 2.50mb then back to 4.10mb im going to call dell and ask them y my axim is doing this

i don't understand. you say it goes from 4.00 up to 2.45 but to go from 4 to 2 would be going down.

i'm with iguana73. my program memory is at about 4.3 with no apps running. running apps and then exiting them will return it to 4.3. no memory leak here.

NDF, which third-party apps are you running or have installed? if you're really experiencing a memory leak then those apps are probably to blame because we're not seeing it on our axims, which run the exact same pre-installed software and OS.

[NDF]

i meant going from 4.00mb up to 4.45. well i dont know i have only 3 games. aratak,agentum,and conquest. i wanna call dell and ask.:( :( :( :(

[fyrfyter]

Originally posted by devhen


Wrong. Program memory on a Pocket PC is equivalent to RAM on a normal computer. The amount of free program memory you have depends on how many and what type of programs you have currently running.

For example, Contacts, Calendar, Notes, etc use little program memory while Acrobat Reader for the Pocket PC uses much more memory. Watching a movie or listening to music in WMP or another media app will use alot of program memory as well. When you exit these programs your program memory is freed up.

Thats not right. Program memory is like RAM, but it will vary depending upon what programs and how many of them you have loaded into the Axim. If you read through the majority of programs out there, they say how much system RAM they need to work right. And even when you exit some programs, there is still gonna be some system ram being used just for run ning PPC2002 OS.

[ChrizzaiN]

NDF...

please delete this thread....pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[devhen]

Originally posted by fyrfyter


Thats not right. Program memory is like RAM, but it will vary depending upon what programs and how many of them you have loaded into the Axim. If you read through the majority of programs out there, they say how much system RAM they need to work right. And even when you exit some programs, there is still gonna be some system ram being used just for run ning PPC2002 OS.

incorrect ;)

i understand that the OS uses some of the program memory at all times (about 4.3mb for me). what i meant is that any used program memory above this can be freed up by exiting any programs you have running.

installing programs onto the axim, however, does not affect the program memory unless you are running those programs. i could install as many programs as i could fit onto my axim and my program memory would remain at 4.3 until i ran some of them.

when a program calls for a minimum amount of program memory, it is just like a desktop program requiring a certain amount of RAM. but the RAM is not used except by currently running programs.

understand?

[Iguana73]

RAM is both your "RAM" and your "Disk Storage." Point blank, there is going to be a loss when you install programs and run them. Once you close a program, "program memory" returns to normal (AVG 4.5). Your Storage memory will remain the same until you install or delete files. It's not a hard concept. If you are worried about memory loss this much, purchase an SD chip and leave it in you Ax. There is still another slot, CF. Lets put this issue to rest.