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At this link is a Disk Image containing the source and Application for updating Palm Desktop to recognize the iQue on native USB under Mac OS X. It should work just by opening the DMG file, and running the application. 4 messages should appear, stating what happen with each file, and a completion message. I think you need to run it as an Administrator user, but I'm not sure.
The program assumes that you installed Palm Desktop in the default location, /Applications/Palm
I'm a geek. if it sounds complicated, wait for a real human to translate my ramblings.
Please report your results, good or bad. I'll try to address them as soon as i can.
I just wanted to shake your hand and say that after a long long 'early adopter' research period of maybe since Feb this year and all the exitement that the ique generated in me as well as all other Mac users, just before my ique was delivered I learnt on this wonderful forum that the news was bad for Mac users.
No more.
Thank you so much for your kindness and expertise. I downloaded your installer from your idisc and it literally worked as soon as I hit the hotsync button on the garmin cradle. Im just delighted.
I have quiety read all the history of your work on this issue over a period of weeks and, well, Its reaffirmed my faith in human nature!
I'd buy you a pint if I wasn't so far away!
Can I ask one question? Is it possible for me to install maps this way or must I go via serial and VPC? I get my copy of VPC tomorrow. Do i still need to move map files via serial/IOGear adapter or can I prepare the map files in VPC and just 'install files' in the hotsync on the mac side?
Forgive me. ique only 5 days, Im in the UK too so im a very early adopter!, and i've not installed and set up yet from the CD's due to trouble in locating VPC 6.1.
As has always been with Garmin, you still need Windows to use their maps. However, since the iQue actually transfers maps using Palm's own tranfer method (kinda maybe, i hope), in theory, you could build the maps on a PC or VPC, copy them to Mac OS X (a simple drag from desktop to desktop with VPC), and then use Mac OS X's Palm Desktop to install it.
In practice, I'm not sure. You actually are more experienced with the iQue than I am. I had mine all of 4 days before I RMA'ed it. (power pin) Coincidentally, some friends and I went on on a trip in that time.
The key steps are, first, make sure that Palm Desktop in Mac OS X knows that your iQue has an SD card if you want it on the card. Next would to build a map as normal in VPC. After that, grab the GMAPSUPP.IMG file from within your user directory from Windows. I don't know the location off the top of my head, but i'm sure others in the forum know where exactly it is. C:/Programs/Palm/username/Install or something along those lines. Also, i think you do need to set up the iQue using windows. The detailed maps do have a key to enable them, and it is probably easier to use VPC if you have a serial method. (else, the same drag/drop/install the pdb files it wants to install from Windows to Mac might work. again, I haven't tried it)
Now, if that IMG can be handed off to Palm Desktop in Mac OS X, and installed to the proper location, it would work. But, again, I can't speak from experience. I have yet to experience the whole USB syncing even.
Please share your experiences with the community. We'd really like to know.
Sorry that most of my answers are big Maybes. I can't test anything without my iQue. Just sharing "brain dumps."
BTW, that pint sounds good.
Cheers.
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Having received my iQue in good condition, I tried taking the .IMG file from VPC and installign it using Mac OS X. Success. as far as i can tell, everything that windows does to control the iQue is simply by transferring standard Palm packages. Just drag those packages to Mac OS X and install them there. no serial connection needed what so ever. But!, I have not actually tried a fresh, total reinstall of everything, so i could be wrong. Some changes, like the voice packages (all those vpm, and the bin file) probably take a soft reset for them to take affect. Remember the initial reset when those were installed? (did when i used serial)
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one thing I just remembered is the map builds. If you build a map for internal, it is named "GMAPSUPP.PDB" but for card, its "GMAPSUPP.IMG". But the only way for it to build a map for the card is for it to know there is a card, ie. must sync at least once. But, if the two files are the same, then its no problem. If they differ... thats the one thing i can think of you'd need to sync with windows for.
The iQue 3600 is not compatible with Macintosh computers
Want to bet?
The mac community has managed to do what Garmin was incapable of and unwilling to even attempt. Garmin should be ashamed because the fix was a simple modification to the Mac Version of the PalmDesktop to add the Manufacturer ID and Device ID to some USB preference files. Now there is an application on line that will do this posted to http://www.lycestra.com/ique.html. A few hours work was all it took. Rather than alienate an entire segment of the computing population Garmin should have at least tried to look at either contracting or doing a little research in house. Even though there are 3% of computer users using Mac's that is 25+ million users who are the most prolific early adopers of technology around. If you capture 5% of those at $600.00 each that is a total potential market segment $750 Million,1 % is $150 million dollars. I wish my business was going so well I could ignore $150 million dollars in potential sales. The Community has even figured out how to transfer the map image files to the device after creating them on a PC. See http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/show...threadid=25253 (This works by the way)
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You got the guts, man. And the numbers that are hard to disagree with.
I mentioned this forum to the tech i called this morning, an hour before my iQue returned to me. (what are the odds?) He seemed interested and somewhat suprised. Not sure if it was because there was an easy solution, or because there was a mac community to speak of. But it kinda sounded like he hadn't heard of PDAStreet, so... maybe online forums are just a new concept.
Originally posted by lycestra You got the guts, man. And the numbers that are hard to disagree with.
I mentioned this forum to the tech i called this morning, an hour before my iQue returned to me. (what are the odds?) He seemed interested and somewhat suprised. Not sure if it was because there was an easy solution, or because there was a mac community to speak of. But it kinda sounded like he hadn't heard of PDAStreet, so... maybe online forums are just a new concept.
Considering this is Garmin's first PDA, I'm not surprised.
Thanks to Iycestra and everyone else in this fourm. Having read them until I'm crosseyed, everything has been smooth with new iQue 3600 (From TVNAM.com in late Aug.). Initial app, data and (map data to SD card) install on iQue with pc laptop and IR from Visor Edge. Tonight I installed Palm Desktop 4.1, Iycestra's PD USB Update for iQue and had a 100% successful USB Hotsync w/ a 1.8ghz G5
Finally got my iQue back from RMA and have been itching to try out the hacks here. Installed Palm Desktop 4.1, then applied lycestra's hack. Started up Hotsync Manager, pressed the button and like magic, it synced !!!
Thank You ! Thank You ! Thank You ! to everyone who contributed and especially to lycestra and GpsMac.
My configuration is original Flat Panel iMac, OS X 10.2.6 and Garmin cradle...
So...I got my very first iQue 3600 earlier this week, and I'm casting about for options to install base and detail maps to it with a Mac.
Did the install following Lycestra's instructions, and copied the basemap over from VPC (XP Service Pack 3 in VPC 7.0.3) to the Mac desktop, and thence to an SD card in an external reader. Worked perfectly. Then, I installed City Navigator 2008 North America in VPC, and waited in agony as the emulator and MapSource ground through building the .img to drag over and install the same way. Meanwhile, I'm thinking to myself, there's got to be a better way.
So, I download MapInstall and MapManager for Mac from the Garmin site, along with MapConvert to convert the map to Mac format, set VPC to grind through the night, and go to bed. The next morning, I have a file ready to drag over to the Mac side, and I install it. But, MapManager wants to see my iQue before it will continue to let me select maps (actually, it just wants to see *ANY* Garmin GPSr). Wondering how to get the program to recognize a GPSr that's not Mac-friendly, I head out to shovel snow, leaving the app running while I ponder my next move.
When I get back inside, MapManager is still looking for a GPSr. About to admit defeat, I dock my iPod and start to head for the shower, when...what's this? MapManager thinks my 4GB iPod Mini is a Garmin GPSr?
Now, I know Apple is cool - I've been a loyal Mac user since April of 1984 - but this is too cool. Not looking a gift horse in the mouth, I quickly generate my mapset (needless to say, way faster than in VPC), retrieve the .img from the GARMIN folder on my iPod, and copy it over to the SD card in the reader. BINGO. Problem solved and verified working with road-tested routing.
Now, I'll only need VPC for updates to MapSource, and I can live with that.
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iMac G4 1Ghz, OS X 10.5.6, VPC 7.0.3 with WinXP SP3, 1GB RAM, 4GB iPod Mini, iQue 3600
Waytago, scasot!! Sometimes a little music to sooth the nerves can pay off.
I don't use a Mac but I'm sure any Mac users will appreciate the update. Is it possible MapManager was simply looking for some external storage to use?
I find it annoying that in 2008, verging on 2009, Mapsource still won't let you point the compiled map at a folder on the hard drive. It would be so much faster to compile it there and then just drag it onto the memory card.
Is it possible MapManager was simply looking for some external storage to use?
I don't think so. It didn't recognize my external HD, or the SD card from Betty (nice name, I think I'll keep it!) in the reader as valid devices. But, it recognized the iPod as soon as I docked it, which leads me to believe that there's something about the ROM in the iPod that it's reading and recognizing.
Also, I don't know that this will work for any of the newer-gen iPods - at 4 years old (2G Mini), mine is old enough to be an antique by iPod standards.
Now, if I can get my iPod to read and use the maps...
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Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
I find it annoying that in 2008, verging on 2009, Mapsource still won't let you point the compiled map at a folder on the hard drive. It would be so much faster to compile it there and then just drag it onto the memory card.
Aye. But, this is Garmin. Until they start losing customer base to a competitor that does things differently (i.e., easier), they're not going to change. Even then, their institutional memory and inertia ("We've always done it this way.") may be too much to overcome.
Mac OS X: iQue on USB "update" for Palm Desktop
Map Transfers via Mac: thats a big maybe.
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